<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"> <html id="oc-phpbb-mod"> <head> <title>phpbb-mod</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="file://C:\Program Files\Opera\Styles\im.css"> <base target="_blank"> </head> <body> <table> <tr><td class="time">23:32</td><td class="status"></td><td class="status-message"><span>Started talking in phpbb-mod on pntek 2007. 06. 29. 23:32:12</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>Room topic is: MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Highway_of_Life has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:05</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Traveler4 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:08</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- Traveler4 has disconnected (Client Quit)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:15</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: No, sadly <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:16</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>delayed reaction... <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No, I was out <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:17</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hehe</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>has someone coffee?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I still have no reason whatsoever why it's not working</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>iWisdom hands paul999|laptop a cup of coffee and some sugar while he tries to figure out why it isn't working</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>... checking, please hold...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:18</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>stupid Microsoft Wireless Mouse... drives me insane!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:19</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>its just a weird thing</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:20</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I cannot find a reason why it not work</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Particularly since it works for you and Igor</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:21</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:22</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I checked, still the same error</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:47</td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- APTX has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:51</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, I did not get any errors besides: template-&gt;_tpl_load_file(): File ./styles/prosilver/template/portal.html does not exist or is empty -- with iWisdom s code</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yep, that do I and evil&lt;3 got also</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom got a parse error</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:52</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>must be file encoding?? o.O</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there is nothing wrong with THAT code, so it has to be something else...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what version of PHP were you using, paul999|laptop?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I was thinking first for php version</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Iam using 5.2.3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I m using PHP 5.2.2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>iWisdom is 4.2.1</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>5.2.1*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:56</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is there some coffee? :/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in his code? maybe. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>my brains want sleep, but I dont want sleep <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>maybe that s why it does not work. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:57</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and time is going slow++ when you has nothing todo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and being to lazy to code</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:58</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I wish sometimes I felt like I had nothing to do... I might actually get something done. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I has enough todo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">00:59</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but coding around 1Am isnt really clever</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:02</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I can go watching a movie, but then I willl sleep really after 5 minutes <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then go sleep! <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:03</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you need the rest anyways... too much coffee. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I want to be at the convention <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I try it even <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>starts in a hour</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:04</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>55 minutes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>nearly the same <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life yells into the room...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>nobody hear, maybe they are hiding behind stuff</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>here*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:05</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or maybe they are sleeping</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I will leave my IRC open all night... zzzzzz</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:06</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I hope my connection dont drop when I sleep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>happens sometimes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:08</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Reuploaded as UTF-8 after opening and resaving with subethaedit. still no dice</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:13</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dont think the encoding can be the problem</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:16</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It was worth a shot</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>tried it with 3 editors</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>anyone know of any other good, free OS/X FTP programs?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- Jan500 has disconnected (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:17</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- WyriHaximus5th has disconnected (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:21</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>meh, I'm about ready to give up on this @_@</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:22</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span><span class="highlight">fberci</span> changes nick to fberci|away</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:23</td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom: No, because OSX wasn't designed to do anything useful <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> (sudden reaction from the mac boys at this statement)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; JD5 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:24</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>woah, I just read that on my extremely useful Mac OS X growl... someone is dissing Mac. &gt;.&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>iWisdom pops open Garageband</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>JD5 changes nick to jdh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, I use: ZDE, Dreamweaver, and SubEthaEdit to do all my coding, and I m one of the best, so I don t think you have to be concerned. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/> <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:25</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hey Highway...hmmm....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi JD!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No MAC discussion please, we know already they are bad <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:26</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I am using this Java Applet. I still don't have an IRC program. Hmmmmm...preparing for tomorrow. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ZDE?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Zend, ZDE, it s a PHP IDE</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and needed a lot memory <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>its written in java</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Indeed, who wants to donate to my PayPal in order for me to purchase it? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Java? @_@</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Similar to zend studio?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>When I get my Macbook Pro, I will run: Mac OS X, and Windows Vista side-by-side, then see who has the last laugh. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:27</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it *is* Zend Studio</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dont think I will use a mac ever <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>do you have an iPod?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>brb, going to search for coffee or beer and something to eat</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Nope</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:28</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>heh, then you are correct. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Just buy a laptop with Vista on, you'll get a higher spec for a lower price <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No, because I hate Windows...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it sucks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>When I get my Mac, I will have about 4 or 5 operating systems...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>somoneone want some chips?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Anybody rushed down to Apple stores across the land to buy iPhones?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Windows isnt awful...its just...not good. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sun chips?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:29</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>id love some, please. french onion, if you have them</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I m not going to buy an iPhone. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> ...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dont have any money. So no iPhone for me....:(</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Too bad I can't afford Zend Studio or subEthaEdit, eh?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MarkTheDaemon: FoA?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they have trial versions... try them out just to make sure it s not you. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What the hell is this activation fee anyway? Just a way to get more money out of you I guess, typical Apple</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:30</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FoA and money?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that was AT&amp;T s idea.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Permanent use, and I already know it isn't <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah, time for some beer now, instead coffee</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: And? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, I don t know what to tell you when its working for all of us, including MY MAC!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And, I hate AT&amp;T. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think it's 1&amp;1, perhaps...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:31</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>iWisdom looks at his AT&amp;T modem and cries</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; bantu has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I have a Verizon Wireless broadband card... Internet access wherever I get a cell signal. &lt;3 <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Shame they don't sell it as SIM free, I might entertain the idea then</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hahaha. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:32</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: That sounds good, but my verizon service is a whole 1 bar in most of my house</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why there is nobody at msn at 1.30 am O_o</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:33</td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>However, the european phone market works differently to the US one, so who knows <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/> Although I'm 99% sure it won't be available SIM free in europe either</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: Most people are asleep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it s not 1.30 am... (here) <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>1631 here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Here it is <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>fortunately, I m not tied to any contract at the moment. &lt;3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Traveler5 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:34</td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Exactly, and I don't want to be</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, have you tried it on your localhost?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Traveler5</td><td class="sender-message"><span>did the convention star?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Traveler5</td><td class="sender-message"><span>start*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Yes, and it works perfectly <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:35</td><td class="sender">Traveler5</td><td class="sender-message"><span>how much longer?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so it *must* be... @_@ ... contact 1&amp;1 and fine out</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Traveler5: Scheduled to start in another 30 minutes or so, but feel free to join in with the discussion</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>30 minutes (about)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Traveler5: Not yet, start in 25 minutes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you can get free coffee</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Traveler5</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Traveler5</td><td class="sender-message"><span>bbs Changing nicknames</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- Traveler5 has disconnected (Client Quit)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: 1and1 tech support is an oxymoron @_@</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:36</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha... say byebye then. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Traveler5, use /nick your_new_username</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Off to something else for a site CMS then, sadly.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Too late.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; T50Webmaster0 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>K back</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi T50 ./</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And I'm paying for 1and1 for the next two years</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what?!? why? ... you *can* get a refund, you know</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>1and1? Who is the unlucky one? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:37</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi Highway!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I ve NEVER met a host that wont refund you</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Well, you see</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>with 1and1</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Just buy your own server</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you have to convince them it's their pboelm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: I'm 14 and broke.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom: Don't you do research on hosts before purchase?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes, but they're the best thing within my limited budget</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom: Find someone that pay it, and get free hosting &lt;3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh yeah, good idea for people that don t have $x,xxx to spend, and $80+ per month. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ah, paul999|laptop, I wanted to talk to you about something</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:38</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>MarkTheDaemon throws paul999|laptop into a secret area ^_^</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eek</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>RUN!!!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>free hosting works great for me, mainly becuase it isn't my website it is my scout troops</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>plus its free!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>My website moves nearly 200GB of bandwith/month...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'd kill most free hosts</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I got 160 GB, for free <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:39</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>don't know what 110mb.com is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Since I have at&amp;t now, I could theoretically host my own server</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but my uplink isn't fast enough</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Enough for my troops site, very few people visit it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:40</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>iWisdom gets around 40k uniques/month</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I need to put something on STG that will cause the XServe to break a sweat</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well anyway, talk to you all later</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Host videos?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that size over 1k MB?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:41</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, 40,000 page views per month?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I gotta do some yard work, that i started...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>bye T50</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>c ya!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:42</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i will be here just not at the desk, This way i can catch up later!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>paul999|laptop pokes paul999|away</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>work please</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:43</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmmm...is there a IRC channel you guys would recomend?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not channel</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>#phpbb-mod &lt;3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>program.....ya</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I use mIRC personally</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I also use mIRC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmmmm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ill will most likely download that then</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:44</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i use XChat-Aqua, which is the Mac OS X version of XChat</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:45</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>doesnt that other program you have have IRC?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>forgot its name ATM....the mac version of Trillian</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: Do you have alreday a idea when you finish your Paypal donation mod? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Adium</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I use irssi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ya. adium. doesn't that have IRC support?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>[01:44] [paul999|away VERSION reply]: XChat-GNOME IRC Chat 0.16 Linux 2.6.20-16-386 [i686]</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>-</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:46</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, no... I hoped to get it out this week, but the Topic Tags MOD was more complex than my original plan, and my work increased... hopefully I can get a start on it this weekend...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Do I use at my server <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, Adium has IRC support? <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I didnt' think it did</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>he asked what the &quot;mac version of Trillian&quot; was</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:47</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Trillian has IRC support</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:48</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and since Adium has EVERYTHING....lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:49</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>switching to mIRC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(i hope)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- jdh has disconnected (&quot;Java user signed off&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:50</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop / paul999|away ... why the double names? o.O</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>2 PCs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>1 is logging</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oooh. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>only the networkcable is not very good</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:51</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; JD9 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">JD9</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dont think that worked....lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The MOD Authors convention will begin in 10 minutes. The topic for the first session is MODX. This session will be run by smithy_dll.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sometimes I see networkerrors because that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Aye aye, smithy_dll</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">JD9</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in 10 minutes?! i thought it was in 3 hours...o_O</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:52</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>0.00 UTC <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>JD9 UTC 0</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">JD9</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I am UTC-6....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so am I</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>JD9 changes nick to jdh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>UTC-7 here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Iam UTC+2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I am +10, which is easy cos it's almost 10am here.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Its nearly 2am here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hmmmm....I am an idiot. I can't do simple math. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:53</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol, try figuring out 17 hours ahead. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I cannot say it better <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">WizardJames</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hmm, -7/6 i cant figure it out when the time changes.. almost 6 pm here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thatd be 5pm....right? lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>awww...I am being Usian again.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Richard, the user who prodded/forced/encouraged me to finish topic tags MOD is 17 hours ahead of me... difficult sometimes to do that math. lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I need not to forgot to stay up before 8.00 UTC :/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:56</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*laughs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmmmmm...how do I do the &quot;jdh laughs&quot; thing in IRC?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Use /me <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:57</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>5 minutes warning mark.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jdh laughs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ya! thanks...I used IRC once about 2 years ago. I forget things like that in two years if I dont use them.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jdh is a forgetful person.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>IRC is a nice way to waist life. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>2 more minutes!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>4</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life looks at clock... 1 minute</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol Its fun, actually</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:58</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>buy a better clock</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yup</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>same here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>3 here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>1 minutes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt; 1 minute</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well...i just synched my clock back into order with time.windows.com</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&gt; 2 &amp;&amp; &lt; 3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so...mine is right. deal with it <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lets see what my server said</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>syncing with atomic clock</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sandy:~# uptime</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span> 01:57:55 up 3 days, 5:58, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.01</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">01:59</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so MODX first?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I win &lt;3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this'll be interesting</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay, it is 0.00 UTC!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MarkTheDaemon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: Need to work harder on the uptime <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just synced... now it says it s 18:58</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it rebooted a few days ago, power problems</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ugggg</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmmmm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:00</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i feel faster than a road runner</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jdh tries to resynch clock</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:01</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there...its 6.50</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not is it &amp;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*7</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- paul999|away has left phpbb-mod (&quot;Ex-Chat&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; paul999|away has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="operator"></td><td class="operator-message"><span>ChanServ sets user mode +o: paul999|away is now a room operator</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jdh shuts up and waits for it to start</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Greetings MOD Authors and the Aspiring. Thank you for comming to the June 2007 MOD Authors Convention. We have planned for various MOD Team members to show up over the 24 hour period to answer questions on their topic of specialty. Some sessions may involve a small presentation, but generally a free for all on questions. I would ask that only one topic is discussed at any one time. A list of sessions can be found on phpBB.com.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:02</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Thanks smithy!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This convention will be logged for the entire 24 hours, and all or part may be published.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:03</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You are reminded that IRC is a public medium, and not to post any personally identifying information.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The topic for this session is MODX.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:04</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODX is an XML format for describing simple and complex text and SQL changes in web applications.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The phpBB.com Modifications Team uses MODX for phpBB3.0 MODs.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:05</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; A_Jelly_Donut has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:06</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This consists of several parts, firstly MODX itself is the XML file format and is described by the modx1.0 XSD (XML Schema)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Welcome A_Jelly_Donut <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thanks paul999</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The schema is what defines what you can and cannot put into a MODX file, and allows standard XML validators to validate MODX documents.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:07</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>mEAL uses the .Net Framework (or mono) XML Reader to do schema validation, but any validator will report the same.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:08</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The last part if the stylesheet. Because no version of EasyMOD currently exists to install MODX, this is what everyone who installs a MOD will see.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:09</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The stylesheet (XSLT) is a standard set by W3C, and allows us to transform MODX into (x)HTML.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Currently the MOD Team has two standard stylesheets for use with MODX. Firstly a subSilver stylesheet for use with phpBB2.0 MODs, and secondly a prosilver stylesheet for use with phPBB3.0 MODs.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:10</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The prosilver stylesheet is cool because of the i18n opportunity it introduces through AJAX.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>1l8n?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Unfortunately due to browser security, it does not work in Opera.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>internationalizatio</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:11</td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>n</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i18n - Internationalisation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i 18 characters n</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What exactly prevents it from functioning in Opera?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Browser Security</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But this isn't a huge problem is it? most people use IE or Firefox</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is Opera s Security *too* strict, or is there a real security issue?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:12</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we are going to run this in raise your hand, and then ask your question fashion so there is one at a time.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:13</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jdh shoots his hand up</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>iWisdom raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jdh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>paul999|laptop waves fast, iam away.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;But this isnt a huge problem is it? Most people use IE or Firefox...&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:14</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|laptop changes nick to paul999|sleep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODX is about bringing modding to as many people as possible. It isn't just about IE and Firefox, there is also camino, Konqurer, Safari, Opera, on platforms such as Linux, Windows, and Mac OSX.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:15</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Just how most people speak English but we try to make it so it can be avaliable in other languages.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ah, I see. Too bad everything can't be just universal.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>17:10 &lt; Highway_of_Life&gt; Is Opera s Security *too* strict, or is there a real security issue?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:17</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It is Opera's opinnion that Cross Domain AJAX should not be allowed period. Going from Localhost to the internet is considered cross domain. It has to cross a security zone to do this. Currently Firefox and IE make you accept the security concequences before continuing.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:18</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This effectively weakens the prospect of using the web browser as an application programming model.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:19</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It may be possible to steal cookies or something due to the change in security zones, I am not exacty sure.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:20</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There were some pretty major security holes in Opera 7, the attempt to remedy them could have caused them to implement those extra security features.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:23</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XSLT was introduced in Opera 9, but not prior because the Opera developers disagreed with the specification, and left it until it because inevitable they would have to support it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>because/became</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cross-domain AJAX is a serious security issue, actually</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; wGEric has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It allows cookie theft, transparent browser redirection, and more.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="operator"></td><td class="operator-message"><span>ChanServ sets user mode +o: wGEric is now a room operator</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>iWisdom raises hand again</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Having my computer turned on is a serious security issue.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:24</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why exactly does MODX require cross-domain AJAX?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, yes, however, Firefox and IE notify the user instead of forcing a reaction... In any case, Opera held 1.6% of the world-wide browser market share as of May 2006</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:25</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>17:22 &lt; iWisdom&gt; *Why* exactly does MODX require cross-domain AJAX?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Only one feature of the prosilver MODX stylesheet requires AJAX. That is the i18n feature. To reduce the amount of data distributed with MODs and to allow MODs to be translated into more and more languages over time, we use AJAX to dynamically load a list of languages, and then to load each language.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:26</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So, to clarify, it is used simply to retrieve the appropriate language for strings like &quot;Find/Replace&quot;, etc.?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:27</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- wGEric has disconnected (Client Quit)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So, if you try to use MODX with Opera, it simply won't work?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, in MODX, you can now specify description, author notes and other related details in multiple languages.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: But I meant as per features requiring AJAX <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:28</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODX in opera will work. With the prosilver xslt, as soon as you try to change the language, it will stop processing javascript</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ah, so it's not a showstopping bug unless you try to use another language</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Are there/will there be any alternatives for Opera users, or will you simply be required to use an alternate browser if you require another language?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That is indeed correct, it only affects that one feature as I said.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:29</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK, thank you for clarification.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:30</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Example language file <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/i18n/nl.txt">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/i18n/nl.txt</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:31</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jdh raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jdh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what does MODX stand for (I probably could have just googled that...hmmmm)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MOD Xml</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that was simple. Thanks. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODification Xml</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:32</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and is it only used in phpBB?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Currently, yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It was developed for phpBB, but anyone can use it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay. cool. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:33</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- bantu has disconnected (&quot;Bye ...&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:34</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a list of languages currently avaliable, <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/i18n/languages.txt">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/i18n/languages.txt</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If your language is missing, prod the language pack maintainer for phpBB3 for your language.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:37</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- WizardJames has disconnected (Read error: 113 (No route to host))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:41</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jdh raises his hand once again</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jdh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What is the difference between a MODX mod and a &quot;MOD&quot; mod?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:42</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>quote from STG: &quot;Format: MODX / MOD&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Officially we have two templates.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Firstly the &quot;Text Template&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Secondly the MODX schema.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:43</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So the MODX is prefered, but the MOD is easier to set up (I think I have that correct...)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The Text template is basically limited to the powers of ASCII art</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The Text Template is easier to write, but also easier to get very very wrong.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:44</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Wrong how so?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>look at the mods in dev forum <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":o"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The specification isn't as tight as MODX, so you can do little naughty things that cause parsers to go insane.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:45</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You can also do big naughty things.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What about medium naughty things? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> (sorry, can't resist :))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Also the specification has been prone to feature creep, so a Text Template written 4 years ago isn't compatible with Today's specification.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:46</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So if I were to write a MOD, would you say I should do MODX?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There are also features specific to MODX that wouldn't be appropriate for the Text Template.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>For phpbB3 you have to do MODX.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ah. So yes? lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Well, you don't have to, but to submit to the MODDB you do.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:47</td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ah, okay. I thin I got it now.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>think*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:48</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:50</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is the MOD Team planning to allow use of x.x.Bx version numbers within MODX as per the alternate numeric version numbering to signify beta, alpha and release candidate? ( see: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_numbering#Numeric">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_numbering#Numeric</a> )</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(couldn t resist <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> )</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I answered you the other day <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I know...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but you said the MODX was out of spec...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:51</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And I said I might look into it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So what's the answer then?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:52</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;&lt;smithy_dll&gt; And I said I might look into it.&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ah, I thought that was directed to the &quot;out of spec...&quot; comment.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the beta process isn't really that well-policed, so I don't see why a policy is even needed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You must follow the MODX XSD.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:53</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The specification currently writes that only positive values between 0 and infinity are accepted in the forementioned field.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A_Jelly_Donut, yes, you are correct, however, unlike version_compare(); PHP function, the MODX does not allow for .B/A/RC MODs to be tagged as &quot;In development&quot; whereas any MOD with x.1.x (for example) is tagged as &quot;in development&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:54</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Anything else is out of spec and may cause problems in the future.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:55</td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the dev line for 2.0.0 is 1.9.x, the dev line for 1.0.0 is 0.0.x</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A_Jelly_Donut, the later is correct, the former is whatever you make of it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:56</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A_Jelly_Donut, I m specifically referring to the way phpBB3 itself has followed version numbering, i.e. 3.0.B1, 3.0.RC2 etc... to MODX, those are not tagged as &quot;Development Quality MODs&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:57</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>because it is out of specification</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but the phpBB Developers operate autonomously from the MOD Team...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I know, but I m trying to clarify my position/question. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">02:58</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You asked the other day, the answer hasn't changed, the specification hasn't magically mutated.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:04</td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A noob-ish XML question:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Using CDATA on all lines doesn't do any harm, correct?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:05</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- jdh has disconnected (&quot;Java user signed off&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>CDATA stands for character data. That's all it means, it's unescaped character data.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if your code contains any special characters, such as &lt; and &amp;, you should use CDATA</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it makes it easier to write by hand, when it comes to display with the stylesheet it doesn't matter.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:06</td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, thanks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;, &gt;, &amp;, ', &quot; to be precise</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; JD2 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>JD2 changes nick to jdh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life, it doesn't matter, you can encode them if you really want to. The one exception is the &lt;![ thingy, you have to encode that.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:07</td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- jdh has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:17</td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>smithy_dll changes room topic to: MODX Session 1 " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:36</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: 25 minutes remaining, correct?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:37</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a MODX Session 1</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a/for</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK, thank you.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:40</td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>When packing a MODX MOD, we may include changes for any number of templates and languages, as long as en-UK and prosilver are included, as I recall?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:41</td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and a MODX MOD is a redundency...meh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>en-GB <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>en</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>written in en-INT (which is simillar to en-GB)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but the code was changed to en as in the default phpBB distribution</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:43</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but you can include any other language and template you desire</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:44</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'd really like to see a mega MOD with as many translations as possible</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I've already got 3 lined up for Karma without any beta code released ... <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":p"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:53</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- A_Jelly_Donut has disconnected (&quot;tata&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">03:57</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Writing MODs for phpBB3 Session 1 will start in 5 minutes.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">04:02</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODX Session 1 has ended, there will be another session at 6PM my time, so 8 UTC or something</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>smithy_dll changes room topic to: Writing MODs for phpBB3 Session 1 " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">04:40</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Chris___ has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">04:44</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Chris___ changes nick to ChrisB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">05:10</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: What exactly is the aim of this session?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">05:11</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't know, you're probably best waiting for the second session when everyone will be awake</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What time will that be at</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">05:12</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>12 (midday) UTC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that'll be... 5am for me</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>2 hours?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>all sessions are two hours</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">05:13</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK, so it'll end at 7am UTC-7, so that'll give me time to catch the tail end</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">05:35</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; llamafier has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">05:52</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>back</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">05:53</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Welcome to the tail-end of Session 2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">05:56</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Getting to know phpBB3's inner workings for MODding Session 1 in 5 minutes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">06:04</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">06:05</td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>smithy_dll changes room topic to: Getting to know phpBB3's inner workings for MODding Session 1 " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">06:16</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>anyone active here?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">06:21</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm here as well</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">06:22</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Kind of slow as most of the world is asleep right now</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think the later sessions will be more lively</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>When I'm sleeping...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">06:23</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>perhaps an little repeat of some by request later on?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>4am UTC so you can understand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>11-22 pm for me here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a logging will be posted</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>With general chitchat stripped?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It may not be a bad idea to find volunteers to turn it in to a Q/A type thing to make it easier to search</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Probable</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">06:34</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>meh, some of us are still @_@ &lt;-- watching. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/> -- published the first session of the MODX already in a quoted format. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:11</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|sleep changes nick to paul999|laptop</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:22</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; tumba25 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:23</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Good morning everyone.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:24</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Good evening, paul999|laptop <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Good morning</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or, good 2222 where I am <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:25</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span># Friday, February 22, 2222: At 02:22:22, the date will read something like: 2222-02-22 02:22:22. At 22:22:22, the date will read 2222-02-22 22:22:22.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span># December 2, 2223: At 12:32 UTC Mars will occult Jupiter</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hrm, a Winter Olympics year</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:26</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in a few days it will be 07-07-07 <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:27</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>07:07:07 on 2007-07-07 doesn't work <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think I will get up early... at: 07:07:07 on 07-07-07</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Earth Day Concerts</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:28</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>July 7 - A series of concerts to raise awareness of Global warming will take place all over the world called Live Earth.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:29</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hrm... a live event will be taking place here in the Music city on 7-7-07, 77,777 people will meet at the Titans stadium (okay, actually, I think it s only about 70,000)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:30</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cosmic@darkstar:~ &gt; calendar -t 07.07.2007</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jul 07 P.T. Barnum dies, 1891</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jul 07 First radio broadcast of &quot;Dragnet&quot;, 1949</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jul 07 Anniversary of the P.U.N. in Equatorial Guinea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jul 07 National Day in Malawi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jul 07 Saba Saba Day in Tanzania</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jul 07 Ringo Starr (Richard Starkey) born in Liverpool, England, 1940</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it reminds me of the G8 concert</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:31</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Odd that it's Ringo Starr's birthday (iirc he is a rather large supporter of environmental protection)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:32</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there were a couple of scientists who discovered that global warming as we are being told is false... had their lives threatened recently if they didn t shut up.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: I read about that, it's rather intriguing. Frankly I don't believe it completely, but I don't want to 100% disavow it in the cause it really is a problem.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:33</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>err... case, not cause. I hate it when my fingers start typing on their own.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:34</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The fact that corals are dying in the Great Barrier reef due to warm oceans is a fact.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It is a problem, but we are being fed a bunch of bull as well</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>indeed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:35</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think I m gonna go work on a MOD until I fall asleep... zzzzzzz</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:36</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hey, not to stop the off-topic activity now that it's kicking up, but I have a bit of a newbie question on-topic: I haven't had a chance to poke around PhpBB3 (I'm installing it in a few minutes) - but is there a way to insert posts directly through PHP? There was the insert_post mod by netclectic for PhpBB2, but what about 3? Any suggestions of where to start fooling around with the code?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:37</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Basically, I want to create a comment thread for each article in a Joomla installation automatically - where when someone clicks on the comments link, it takes you to a thread in the forum, or creates one if one does not exist.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>have a look at the posting code</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll, that s rather broad. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:38</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I had a bad hack for phpBB2 at <a href="http://chrisboylan.com/code/mambo-phpbb-integration/phpbb/joomla-comments.html">http://chrisboylan.com/code/mambo-phpbb-integration/phpbb/joomla-comments.html</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well it's the logical place to look for an answer</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, phpBB2 won t help you, try looking at this function in use in posting.php: submit_post($mode, $subject, $username, $topic_type, &amp;$poll, &amp;$data, $update_message = true)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah, I know - thats why I was a bit reluctant to ask, but since things were quiet I figured Id give it a shot</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:39</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that function can be found in functions_posting.php ~1480</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah - I only want to support phpbb3 now</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thanks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, note that you re going to have to handle permissions prior to inserting the actual post... i.e. to verify the user can post in the designated area.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:40</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Well, at least in the old one, I created a use that couldnt log in that was a moderator for that forum - then restricted topic creation to moderators</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>user</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>see lines 949 - 983 in posting.php -- that will give you an idea of the data that needs to be inserted</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then inserted the post with that user #</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:41</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, perhaps you should tell me what you are trying to do first... as the functionality is already there...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0, yes?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:42</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>anyone know of a way to allow only certain users to use a bbcode and have it error for any other user</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; wGEric has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="operator"></td><td class="operator-message"><span>ChanServ sets user mode +o: wGEric is now a room operator</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay - to be as simple as possible first - I want to have comments for Joomla (a CMS) handled in the forum.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0, no... you would either allow BBCode completely, or disallow it, there is no way to (by default) restrict a specific BBCode...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>now, you *could* MOD that in...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:43</td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi everybody. How are things going?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, are users logged into Joomla with a specific user_id that matches the phpBB3 database?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi wGEric!! <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:44</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>more in depth - Ill create a &quot;comments&quot; forum. At the bottom of each Joomla article will be a Comments link which will take you to the thread for that article, or create a new thread if one does not already exist. The thread will be created by a fake user that only exists to create commetn threads</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eventually, integration would be nice, but I dont think its necessary at first for them to share a userbase -</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, how about a simple solution? -- why not make a quick-reply post to that specific forum? -- or just use a button that links to a reply for that forum/topic?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:45</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>basically - they would just be linked ot the thread - where they could sign in if they wnat to post</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway - Im a little confused by that idea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:47</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>@ HoL I want to MOD that I just don't know really how to call that BBcode</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:48</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I would like the threads to be auto-created if possible</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay, lets say use the MODs in Development forum on phpBB.com for an example. -- in your joomla, you have your post (&quot;phpBB3 MODs Section Open&quot; topic in this example), and someone click s reply... that &quot;button&quot; would have this link: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/posting.php?mode=reply&amp;f=70&amp;t=543793">http://www.phpbb.com/community/posting.php?mode=reply&amp;f=70&amp;t=543793</a> -- that would take them to the page to reply to the post... does that make sense/fit your needs?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:49</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sort of, its just that the link would be to a pre-existing thread, correct?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:50</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I want to create a new thread for each article</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thats what the hang-up is for me</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>test</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, on the article creation, what would create that? -- phpBB3 or Joomla?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:51</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm creating a table that will link Joomla article ids to the appropriate PhpBB3 thread ids to handle the linking</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0, I m getting to you, hangon. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>articles are created in Joomla</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Id like a matching thread to be automatically created in phpbb</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>with matching titles and a link back ot the article, say</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:52</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so the reply button in Joomla would link to a thread - thats perfect for existing threads - but I want to create threads with info from Joomla</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:53</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, then I would build a function that inserts all the data matching lines 949-983 in posting.php (for example) -- once it s inserted, then you can just link to the respective ID... though that part would be adding the function to Joomla, unless I think of another way to do it on the phpBB3 side.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;Highway_of_Life&gt; testing this out........ you can keep going on with heloping Chris</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:54</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:55</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that sounds right - narrowing down where I have to look helps a lot - now if I can get my test server up and running, Id be able to do something</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Oh Now i know how you are replying with the names, you aren't you this free java chat thing online!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>duh!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:56</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>5 minutes until MODX Session 2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:57</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0, here is what you want to look at: bbcode.php lines ~ 43 - 104 -- you ll want to create a new permission for the specific BBCode, and use !$auth-&gt;acl_get('your_permission'); { continue; } on the respective loop -- I have to be vague, but hopefully it will point you in the right direction</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah - I think I'll be putting the script on the joomla side rather than phpBB since its only for Joomla users and theyre well familiar with the install packages there. we'll see if I have to edit files on both sides</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:58</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, inserting the post into phpBB3 should be pretty easy using the code of the lines I showed you from posting.php --&gt; then all you need is the ID to use as the link to post the comments. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">07:59</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ChrisB, I highly recommend a localhost for MODing</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sorta like 12:57 am here for me, so I guess a little sleep will help before i do i fresh install of RC2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if you are using Windows, get WAMP, XAMPP or EasyPHP... if you are using LINUX, use LAMP, if you are using Mac, use MAMP. -- Google them for details.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I use xampp myself Works great</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:00</td><td class="sender">ChrisB</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah, and I just have to create that user manually beforehand -- thanks for the help - I have been wanting to tackle this for a bit and the IRC thing just made me do it - yes the server is an old linux PC sitting next to me - all on the internal network - I wouldnt try this on an open server</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:01</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Welcome to MODX Session 2.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We had a session earlier in the day, Highway_of_Life has posted a recap for anybody who wasn't here.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:02</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This will be a Q &amp;A session if anyone has any questions.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So far the other sessions have been unproductive, sadly.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well someone is professional here!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: Where was the log posted?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, most the world has been asleep. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:03</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom, it will be posted shortly on phpBB.com in the phpBB3 MODers discussion forum... currently only posted on STG</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the last session will be posted shortly as well.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK, thank you.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:04</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The MOD Team will post a recap on phpBB.com after all the sessions are over.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 raises hand!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:05</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Do all MODs on phpbb.com have to be in MODX form?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:06</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for phpBB3.0 yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Or can they be a txt file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/policies/moddb-3.0/index.php">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/policies/moddb-3.0/index.php</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>3.0 requires MODX only and 2.0 can use both the text form or MODX</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>bullet point 6.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:07</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I guess I got some work to do then....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; FountainOfApples has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Good morning FountainOfApples</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it's 11:05 PM</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Welcome Doug</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Good Evening, FountainOfApples. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just checking in</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Its 8.06 am</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=71&amp;t=560069">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=71&amp;t=560069</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>got bushed with covering the iPhone release</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:08</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>only just finished uploading 311 photos to flickr</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>how did that go?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it was an, um, interesting experience</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you didnt buy a iPhone? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if you want some media, i've got links to the photos and a youtube video response i made here: <a href="http://www.webmacster87.info">http://www.webmacster87.info</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: don't have $500</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>went there to cover it for my OTHER podcast</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and to give out promotional shirts</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:09</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I do but I already have Verizon.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Did people take the shirts?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iWisdom: gone in 30 seconds</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, interrupting MODX session with iPhone is bad karma</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples shuts up <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:10</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; MODGuest5415 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 Laughs out loud (Quietly to keep rest of family alseep)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:11</td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>smithy_dll changes room topic to: MODX Session 2 (in Q&amp;A mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so what's up with phpBB3's inner workings for MODding?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you are to late for that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: It ended 10 mins ago</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh yeah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sorry getting my UTC mixed up</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:12</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it's MODX</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That's correct</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:13</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so are we sitting back and watching, or just asking questions?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you ask the questions. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we will watch</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":-P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples already knows about MODX, could give a session on it if he wasn't saving it for a future podcast episode</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:14</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>though i could ask for some clarification regarding multiple MOD translations</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Just ask your question <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>do we put different translations in different MODX files, or in the same MODX file with different lang=&quot;en-gb&quot; ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:15</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>err, lang=&quot;whatever_lang_we're_using&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>translations for the target application go in other language files</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>translations for stuff like description, title etc... go in the MODX file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:16</td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the sample MODX file for 3.0 is a good example of that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/sample-30.xml">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/sample-30.xml</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I updated the MODDB Requirements for 3.0 to clarify on that.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the English and Nederlands are within the same file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Netherlands please <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:17</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but then if you have multiple languages in one MODX file, what do you do if you're, for example, doing edits to language/lang_english/lang_main.php (phpBB2)?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>do you do separate language entries for that in the same MODX file or use separate MODX files?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:18</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>separate MODX files, that was clarified in an update to the submission requirements</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>however iirc phpBB3 has a way where you don't have to edit the language files</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; protoTech has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>all MODs are required to edit english so the initial file must contain english but everything else can be translated, then you put the edits to the other language files in a separate file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so then is it like put all translations in one MODX file for phpBB3, but seperate files in phpBB2?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:19</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, stop there</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 gets off computer chair and sits on comfy lazy chair next to it. then falls gets ready for sleeping in it!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>forget everything you currently know</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>When I translate phpBB2 or 3, I edit files in the language folder</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:20</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If I edit English it goes in the main MODX file in the root of the zip file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if I also choose to edit Dutch (nederlands), I then go and create a folder called dutch (in phpBB2) nl (in phpBB3) in the languages folder</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:21</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in that folder I then create a new MODX file to describe _only_ those changes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But wait, I can also translate the title of a MOD, author notes and description?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh, so the main MODX file will have english, and can have description, author notes, etc. translated in that file as well</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes Johnny you can, but that is independent of this.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but if there's language edits, they will have to go in a separate MODX file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:22</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, makes sense now <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:24</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>are you guys still working on a MODX-compat EasyMOD for phpBB2?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cool</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:27</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>don't have any other questions for MODX</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:28</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>MODGuest5415 changes nick to poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|away changes nick to paul999</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:30</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- poyntesm has disconnected</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; jhongy has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>jhongy changes nick to jhong</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I bet everyone is showing up for the MODDB session.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; MODGuest3448 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:31</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>MODGuest3448 changes nick to poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ouch</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I need to run? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol ...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>have they all got pitchforks?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I've got 2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(that is such an Americanism)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:32</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I has a big steal wall <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":p"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I've got my torch and pitchfork ready</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>s/steal/steel</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>welcome to the MODX Session 2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thx</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>your welcome</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We're currently in Q&amp;A Mode, just raise your hand to ask a question</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:33</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okey dokey</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>don t everyone raise hands at once!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples off to sleep, will try to be here for second half of the next phpBB3 MODding session</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jhong raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>night all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>nite</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- FountainOfApples has disconnected</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>goodnight</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:34</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>doh &gt;&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:35</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>From experience, which is the easiest/fastest way to create MODx files? Creating text first, then using a convertor, doing directly, or can you convert to MODx from a DIF file?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MOD Studio, but converting from text is also easy</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:36</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>wGEric changes nick to wGEric|away</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is mod-studio considered bug free? Tried the command line converter with phpBB2 and found a few anomalies.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:37</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If you find any bugs please report them</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MOD Studio has a few bugs still.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric|away</td><td class="sender-message"><span>geoffreak has created a web based tool, I'm not sure how good it is, you can find it here: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=71&amp;t=543817">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=71&amp;t=543817</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:38</td><td class="sender">wGEric|away</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'd like to see a way that uses phpBB's diff engine to create MODX files <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I've tried writing a diff parser before</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>woah... to &quot;create&quot; diff files?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I mean.. &quot;MODX&quot; &gt;&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That would be useful</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>VERY</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:39</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if I could write a diff parser I could bang it into MODX today</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric|away</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: use the internal one in 3.0</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I probably can, but I gave up</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>wGEric|away, I ve tried it... it works pretty well.. much better than I imagined, it has a small number of bugs that are easily worked out, and it sure heck beats coding the entire MODX by hand if you have a lot of edits to do.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>c#, though for phpbb.com I can use phpBB one</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:40</td><td class="sender">wGEric|away</td><td class="sender-message"><span>with the diff, of course you'd probably have to go through the generated file and make changes but it would be a good start</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>given MODX is XML it makes sense to use AJAX and browser DOM</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes, cross-platform is good.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:43</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I submitted about DIY instruction placement do you feel its something that can be fixed?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:44</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>won't be changed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that's how EasyMOD for MODX is slated to handle it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:45</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/> if you require the edits to be done before a DIY instruction thought you are out of luck then I guess</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Author Notes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Sorry after a DIY I mean... yes but we all know they are not often read properly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Author Notes are shown before, DIY are shown after</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:46</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Speaking of EM do we get any juicy info on it today??</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:48</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there is no session on it, bit premature to really</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:49</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric|away</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm: for 2.0, if you checkout what is in CVS, you can have a version that supports MODX, I should probably just package it up and release 0.4.0, I doubt I'll have time to finish the security stuff I wanted to do, <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/easymod">http://sourceforge.net/projects/easymod</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:50</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span> - heads to CVS client <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:52</td><td class="sender">wGEric|away</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for security on that, I've made it so you can't edit config.php and it moves a .htaccess file into admin/mods/ so that you can't browse the folder</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">08:54</td><td class="sender">wGEric|away</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if you find any bugs, go ahead and submit them to the bug tracker</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric|away</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and I really should go away like I was going to earlier</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:02</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; brandsrus has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:03</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; FountainOfApples has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hello:)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:04</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Welcome to MODX Session 2. We are in Q&amp;A mode, to ask a question, raise your hand.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>are there a manual for modx?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:05</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there's a full PDF guide</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples beat me to it. That website has all the information on MODX.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples can't sleep, thinks starbucks put caffeine in his decaf mocha this morning</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:06</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>how more coffee you drink, how faster you can sleep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, have a photo of those t-shirts?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: which?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>brandsrus drinks coffee</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>previewcast</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>iPhone is bad karma <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: agreed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: the iPhone t-shirts?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I guess</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haahah <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the ones you mentioned</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:07</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>somewhere in here: <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/webmacster87/sets/72157600561909106/">http://flickr.com/photos/webmacster87/sets/72157600561909106/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In style MODX if you need the user to edit the language specific imageset config your MODX file is then language specific as using the clever select language will not change the instructions to tell them edit the correct one? make sense?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i'm not <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:08</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm, no.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: here too <a href="http://store.fastmac.com/product_info.php?cPath=10_42&amp;products_id=247">http://store.fastmac.com/product_info.php?cPath=10_42&amp;products_id=247</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Then have to go and open /languages/language/language.xml</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>whehehe</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:09</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lots of language questions on MODX</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|laptop changes nick to paul999|food</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is it possible to make a Dutch translation for MODX <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The language dropdown is a personal display preference</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i must ask some questions <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|food</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ther is already a dutch translation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There is a Dutch translation, see Nederlands.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:10</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: does the XSL include translations of the action names already?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>brandsrus slapt paul <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, no, it uses AJAX to download them.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah I get that but for the style to be properly installed they must edit the language specific imageset. So should that really go in a language MODX as its specific to style?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so then translations won't work offline</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:11</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I thought AJAX could only download from the same server the file you are viewing is from?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or if you use Opera, or Online on a domain other than phpBB.com</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong, IE and firefox let you elevate security to allow it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for local to remote that is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but not from remote to remote</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:12</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, does it work properly in safari?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: haven't seen a MODX file with more than just english yet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:13</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i have safari if needed, personally i use camino (based on firefox/gecko)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|food</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you can select always another language FountainOfApples</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>language dropdown works regardless of what translations you ahve included</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: on the sample MODX file, the only language listed in drop-down is English</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:14</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, can you dump the contents of the error console to the Bug Tracker</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Safari better have an error console.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:15</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples is currently looking at this in camino</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>even IE has a web dev toolbar</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>which doesn't</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples opens safari</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:16</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if safari has an error console i wouldn't know where to look</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it also only displays english</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples tries firefox</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>are you looking at <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/sample-30.xml">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/sample-30.xml</a> ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:17</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>firefox loads all languages</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>after a 1 second hesitation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>safari and camino don't load anything but english</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:18</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>safari == webkit engine, camino == gecko</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, then the javascript is erroring</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i'm testing it w/ safari 2, i got rid of safari 3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the newer version of webkit introduced bugs in a few of my apps</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why are webbrowsers always less than ideal.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:19</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>safari 3 is out for windows, how about you try it in there smithy_dll ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Firefox is the only browser that a programmer should use whilst programming... all others are for testing. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't like beta software</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it works in epiphany just fine.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it would have the newer version of webkit, which actually works better with the phpBB2 MODX XSL than safari 2 does</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Let me try Konqueror... smae engine as safari</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:20</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 justs asks!--- this still MODX?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes:D</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>40 minutes left</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0: we're debugging the phpBB3 MODX XSL <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what next?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK I think I can ask best by asking which MODX file should tell the user to edit ./styles/subsilver2/imageset/en/imageset.cfg</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>feels like Parent Teacher Interviews</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>also trying to get myself sleepy</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Its both language &amp; style specific so I am not clear where it gets placed for editting..</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Just get a mess in Konqueror... file doesn't even display</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:21</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>:/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Konqurer is KHTML</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what is next again?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>as is safaria</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Next is MODDB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>webkit to be more specific</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>k</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>camino and firefox are both gecko, which makes it strange why firefox works in the drop-down and camino doesn't</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:22</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm, /languages /templates (or whatever the spec says)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that session will be lead by Paul999?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>EXCEPT English and prosilver</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Jayso has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999 will lead the MODDB Session</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: you want some even more confusing info?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Should be one of the better sessions.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>whehehee:P</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is this session bad?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this is one of the better so far</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:23</td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>camino just shows the page laid out in english, the only thing wrong is that the drop-down menu doesn't display any other languages besides english</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 goes back to the comfy/lazy chair and watches swordfish on tv</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in safari, the drop-down menu has one option that says &quot;Loading...&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This is how the javascript works</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>whehehe, good luck T5webmaster <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smitihy_dll - sorry if I am being stupid but do you mean place it in both MODX files? From reading the spec I am not clear</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>first if no javascript, it displays all languages.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and then the page for title/description shows a thing for en and then for nl</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:24</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>brandsrus, I will it just came back on</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>secondly if javascript it hides all language elements except English</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples takes a screenshot</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then When you activate the languages dropdown is loads the languages or errors out, if it errors then it stops loading. Errors are likely browser security.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lag?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:25</td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>nope</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>screenshot of MODX file in safari: <a href="http://myskitch.com/webmacster87%20/phpbb_mod___hello_world-20070630-002339.jpg">http://myskitch.com/webmacster87%20/phpbb_mod___hello_world-20070630-002339.jpg</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 quikly leaps into comfy</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>getting to tired improper syntax on chatting...........</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm, in /languages/nl/nl.xml you ONLY include changes for dutch</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:26</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, the javascript completely errors out there on load</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it should be hiding all the dutch</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Chinese Simplified also appears to be in incorerect char encoding</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:27</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so camino shows it correctly (hides the dutch), it just doesn't list any other languages in the drop-down</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes but in lets say a dutch user opens /styles/subsilver/subsilver.xml I tell them to edit ./styles/prosilver/imageset/en/imageset.cfg are they meant to just know replace en with nl?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I was made aware of the chinese issue today</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>also in safari 2, the s and up/down arrows don't work</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I am not sure what is wrong with it, my firefox is showing the page is loaded in UTF8, the language files are all in UTF8, so I don't know at this stage what is wrong.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>though i think they work right in safari 3 beta</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i don't remember though</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, once javascript fails, it fails</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:28</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>again you can download safari 3 to see if it works there</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Must be being delieverd in GB2313. Annoying this is, when you try to change encoding in the browser, it reloads the page, and sets it back to English</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i uninstalled it because the newer version of webkit that it installs on OS X messed up some of my other apps that rely on webkit</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it doesn't make as much of a difference on windows because safari is the only windows app that relies on webkit</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:29</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>all we need is Konqurer and Lynx on windows and you can have a complete collection of browsers on windows.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:30</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>note that i don't think safari on windows is a good idea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>though i think that it's downright hilarious how many security issues on safari for windows were found within hours of steve jobs touting how secure it is <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you guys are gonna make it hard to weed through all this to post the relevant MOD Convention discussions. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>aparrently the beta is full of security bugs they decided to patch at OSX level rather than bothering to fix safari</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If you get Konqueror, Provided the Apple dev team provide their changes back to Konqueror (as they should), there's no need for Safari on Win.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:31</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what they've said for years is true: windows gets more viruses than macs because windows has a larger target audience</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not necessarily because mac is more secure</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I sense a dose of Apple bundling coming on, what with the iPhone being released</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FoA, yes... OS X is what keeps Mac OS X safe, not Safari, so put Safari on Windows, and all the sudden, it s vulnerable</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:32</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well, probably the reason they released safari on windows is because they want to attract PC developers to the iPhone too</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FoA -- as a Linux user, I disagree to some extent. Windows is insecure because (a) bad design, (b) clueless users running as administrators</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>since the only apps on the iPhone will be running within safari</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: there's multiple reasons for anything</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Windows NT has excellent design. Windows Vista took it to a whole new level.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>new level of annoyance? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:33</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong, Mac OS X has a lot of clueless users running as administrators as well, but that s not the reason for the security issues on Windows</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but as we've seen, apple's safari isn't more secure than firefox or IE</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That is not fair Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples thinks we're in a big rathole that we need to get out of</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>who? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>IE7 on Vista runs in a less privledged mode where it cannot intereact with the OS.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:34</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm looking forward to seeing Server 2008</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it won't even let me open files from localhost in the same window as remote files</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>users can still run carp downloaded via e-mail, and it can still get its hooks on program files.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so is the versioning system relevant to MODX?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i have a question on that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:35</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we discussed that already, but go ahead. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>which versioning system?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the phpBB MOD versioning system</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the x.y.z thing</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Follow this and you will be fine. <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/modx-part6.pdf">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/modx-part6.pdf</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll think it go missed but lets say a dutch user opens /styles/subsilver2/subsilver2.xml I tell them to edit ./styles/subsilver2/imageset/en/imageset.cfg are they meant to just meant to know to replace en with nl?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:36</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|food changes nick to paul999|laptop</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>uhh, dammit</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:37</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>see my problem now?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>however i was curious because phpBB3 seems to have done a 3.0.B1, 3.0.B2, 3.0.B3, 3.0.RC1, 3.0.RC2 numbering system</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>?!?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes, when you combine the two</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>BINGO!!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, no, jus no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so that's phpBB3-only, not for MOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODs*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:38</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it violates MODX Schema</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yeah.. I post on the forum trying to make this point but people never seemed to understand me</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, someone had asked me to add that kind of numbering into Advanced Version Check's algorithms, but if the MOD team isn't accepting it, then i won't either</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:39</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm, I think I once had an answer, umm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, as A_Jelly_Donut put it... development MODs are not accepted into the MOD DB anyways, so it matters little... you can do whatever you want: 0.1.0, 1.0.B1, whatever, but MOD releases will have to follow MODX spec. :-/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: yeah but if MOD authors are releasing via MODX, then it will end up breaking MODX</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODX is setup for the X.Y.Za format</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:40</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>as is AVC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life, I told you like 15 times, just follow the spec!!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I will, smithy_dll!! I will!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>also if someone released a MOD as 3.0.B2 in the MOD Development forum, that would violate the MOD Development Forum rules</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Thank you.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>because the forum rules say that because Y is even, it's not in development</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>== locked <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:41</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>anyway, back to poyntesm's problem</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>breaking 80% of my MODs. grrrr. <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life, you broke my spec first <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i remember when the MOD team was rolling out this MODX stuff</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>umm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:42</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll.. heh <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> -- I m inundated with everything phpBB3, including the version numbering format. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll did almost all of the documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm, I am panicking here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so he should be knowing everything</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I wrote the docs, the schema, and the XSLT</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: why are you panicking?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:43</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cos there is a problem I don't know how to solve.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I pointed possible major issue <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ooh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>with the editing language based templates/language files?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that's what the MOD Author Convention is for</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes imageset language specific config file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:44</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, are these edits or file copies&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>edits</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: phpBB2 has language specific imageset files...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:45</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i don't see what the real problem is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just treat the language-specific imagesets the same way you treat lang files</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no-one pointed our the flaw during the phpBB2 polot</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>put*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>out*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>pilot*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:46</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A MODX file is meant to be style OR language specific ... I am pointing out a case where it needs to be both and thats breaks the idea of seperation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span> thats was to FoA</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for now put in /contrib/style-language/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:47</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>15 minutes to the next session, the phpBB.com MODs database.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And then add autor notes to the style one telling them to process /contrib???</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well phpBB2 has only one style</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB3 has two to deal with</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So to install MOD they now have to process 3 MODX files <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB2 everything was a subSilver derivative</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:48</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cant we add an extra spec in MODX to handle the language specifics? ... would that be hard to do?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:49</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you have 4 cases of someone installing a MOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>English - prosilver</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>English - subsilver2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Dutch - prosilver</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Dutch - subsilver2 (herein lies the problem)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:50</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>by separating, it allows easyMOD to detect errors properly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:51</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No I see Dutch - prosilver as an problem too.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>why oh why did phpBB teams include 2 styles with phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, you the people demand.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:52</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>does it mean that MOD authors _have_ to release install instructions for both styles?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>prosilver only.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- protoTech has disconnected</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:53</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ohh right, prosilver is supposed to be separated from main modx file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy for dutch - prosilver the will open a file ./styles/prosilver/prosilver.xml and it will have edit for en</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ah you beat me as I tpyed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:54</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well prosilver is the only style installed by default</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the admin has to physically install subsilver2 if they want it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so style MODX needs to be seperate from main install MODx? (I must have missed that somewhere <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/> )</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; wGEric has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="operator"></td><td class="operator-message"><span>ChanServ sets user mode +o: wGEric is now a room operator</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just a shame that the subSilver-themed ACP doesn't come with phpBB2, luckily Highway_of_Life has a MOD for that <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:55</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>HoL read the spec <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: only for additional styles</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'll talk to EasyMOD devs, and come back to you, and then we can try and work this out before gold.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:56</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life rubs throbing head</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FoA no... prosilver is handled via seperate MODX. Not main one.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>5 minutes to the next session guys <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well in phpBB2, subSilver styling is handled in main MODX</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we demand an extension! <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> (just kidding)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in phpBB3, apparently all styling is in separate MODX</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:57</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>which i think is much confusing for the little guy who just wants to figure out how to install something</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that is true</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>true</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>due to the two languages being packaged with phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>err styles</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm making mistakes all over the shop</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what time is it where you are, smithy_dll?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: be glad it isn't 5 mins till 1 AM <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>6pm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ooooooh! Australia?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:58</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: yep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you know that time you're starving before dinner</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Aussie ftw <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>still think big long XML file with visual separation between styles makes sense.... too late now though.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: check out the team map sometime <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is it too late?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODX was designed with compatibility to the Text Template in mind to make the jump between easy</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FoA, I have, but I try not to memorize it... then eat it... I get indigestion.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">09:59</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>when you spend 9 months on the team, you start to remember where many of the team members come from</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and what animal they have in their avatar</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- wGEric|away has disconnected (&quot;Leaving&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or in my case, what galaxy</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>look, you gone and scared wGEric! <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:00</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh wait, i don't have my new avatar on phpBB.com :/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah, he is scared for the next session <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I am too... I m going to go sleep... more work tomorrow. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>any more MODX to talk about?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>versioning!!! muahahahaha!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: i'll help you with that later</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:01</td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>smithy_dll changes room topic to: MODDB Session 1 (in Presentation mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>paul999 changes room topic to: phpBB.com MODs Database (in Q&amp;A mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hello all, Welcome to the first 2 hour session of the phpBB MOD Authors convention on the phpBB.com MODs Database, that can be found at <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/db/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/db/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if you're going to be co-developing MOD Update Check, you'll have to know it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; damnian has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Before we begin, I will first give you some good news. The phpBB.com MOD team has just opened the MODs database for new submission of MODs!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples will come to the 18:00 UTC session on MOD Database, time to make myself go to sleep so that i'll be awake for phpBB Weekly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OMG REALLY?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Now lets start by explaining the MODs database. The MODs database is a collection of approved mods validated by the MOD team.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Woohooo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmm - this sounds prerecorded <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MOD authors are able to submit his or her MODs to the MODs database, and the MOD team will validated these MODs.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I agree... <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:02</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>When the MOD Team haven't found any problems, bugs or security issues during the validating of the modification, we will approve it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We will provide hosting and a topic for users to receive support for MODs that have been approved.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples submits a MOD, then goes to sleep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>As before, we are going to do run this as Raise your hand, and then ask your question, so there is only one question at a time.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Now, lets start, raise your hands and ask your questions.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:03</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this is gonna be a boring session if noone has a question &gt;_&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if i get stuck submitting my MOD, i'll raise a hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>raising my hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm has the floor</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what is the thinking behind the discuss section ??</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Does the release topic not provide this?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:04</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Isn't the release topic for support though?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you can flame and bitch to us, ask us questions, ask us about requirements, etc...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I hear a &quot;but&quot; coming. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in the previous MOD Database, i had to tell it the URL of the existing MOD DB topic if there was one</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>where do i do that here?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>discussion section is for the Author and MOD Team to discuss the MOD privately</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>from your My MODs section, you submit an update</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:05</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh, different area</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it's like PM but something that the entire MOD Team can participate in</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cool</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>wGEric .. thanks answers my question.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>very cool</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>nice</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>should make communication easier so we can deny MODs less often</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>which section of the My MODs section?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>as in which of the four buttons?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dunno, I only know how it is supposed to work in theory.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:06</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jhong raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i had thought that it would be under the Manage button</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but when i click Manage, i get a Module not accesible error</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; WyriHaximus5th has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:07</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples raises five hands</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>For mods with an install file, do you have any MODDB requirements? Must the install file use the phpBB templating system? Must it be placed behind the admin trestricted area?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life raises arms... (guns, knives etc)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples raises a barrel of deep-fried pickle hearts</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:08</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Jayso kicks you immature brats up the ass <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>PG13 please.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>... - ass is PG13 <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>like install.php?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:09</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it's easiest for them if I just bang out status messages with echo(). Wonder ifit will be denied</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://sql.phpmix.com">http://sql.phpmix.com</a> is still there</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Follow the security precations and standards used by phpBB3 itself.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but that's phpBB2 though</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:10</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't think you'll be able to use echo()....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>do as the phpBB3 installer/updater does</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So install.php will need its own template file??? <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":-("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you can require Founder or upper level admin access to the install file...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that is the way I would do it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm raises hand politely for after HoL &amp; FoA</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples is simply content to consider the phpBB3 installer/updater as magic</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>install files don't need a template system</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:11</td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you should use the language system but you can include the language strings at the top of the file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in phpBB3, you can define your own template for your install file if you so choose.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">wGEric</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you're echoes should be fine</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thx</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples raises hand for paul999|laptop</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:12</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life was next.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm is first FoA <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>fine, s/raises/stretches</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>are phpBB3 MODs being accepted *now* or not until Gold?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB3 MODs are being accepted right now.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life will have a field day</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just don't tick both boxes or someone will kick you.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:13</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>should have been a radio button <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you betcha... LOL!!! hahah!! smithy_dll</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I wouldn t do that... what about versions for them (not the same as before) -- are we allowed to release &quot;full&quot; versions? -- I am assuming that &quot;stable/full&quot; versions are the only versions accpted to the MODDB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:14</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Jayso goes and checks out the new phpBB MODDB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>accepted*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>only stable releases for the MODDB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The rating in the overview? Do all MODs already there start at 0 or is the plan to use the rating from the current topic</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, good thanks... done. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: have you submitted MODs to the MODs DB before?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples, thankfully... no. -- wait, should I be thankful? *thinks*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:15</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>good, you'll be more open to learning something different</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life and i are doing an exchange program</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i'll teach him phpBB2 and he'll teach me phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>smithy_dll slaps damnian for submitting twice</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:16</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it s a bribe, really... but Poyntesm has an outstanding question.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, answer poyntesm's question please</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples is only raising his hand to find where he's supposed to go to submit a MOD that's already in the MOD database</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:17</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sorry, I was drinking coffee <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/db/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/db/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh... read that wrong. XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The rating functions arent working yet. It is one of the parts that need to be finished</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The new MODDB has alot more relational data than the previous one.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul99 thanks.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: The manage panel is now visible</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:18</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sweet thanks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It wasn't twice, it was 2 different mods!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is there not a space to update the MOD Description?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;DoppelMe&quot; is there twice</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: Not yet. There is at the manage part a tab called description</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay, FountainOfApples, are you next, or shall I find another question to bother Paul999|laptop and smithy_dll with?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: phpBB2 and 3:)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:19</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: That isnt finished yet, but will be enabled in the next weeks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>mini-bug: the Modification submission policy link is a dead link</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm raises again</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Submission policy. <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/policies/moddb-3.0/index.php">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/policies/moddb-3.0/index.php</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm lowers hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Jayso wants to ask a q when it's his turn</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>now you can't say you didn't know about it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: Thats known, I fixed it alreayd in my cvs.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:20</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>was Highway_of_Life next?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what's Modification label?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll, no... FoA I think</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life  s hand is not raised</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm first now <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:21</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no I lowered my hand <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is it just me or when you go to submit, and you are selecting which phpBB version.... you cannot UNSELECT either... yet you can select both?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>example: I click phpBB2 and phpBB3 and neither are unclickable</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jayso, yes, you are correct... PAAAAULLLL!!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hahahaha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>pwned</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:22</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm raises hand for real this time</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, I think it should be an either/or on the two versions there... <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm not submitting anything obviously, but i just noticed it <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yep, thats a &quot;bug&quot;. The phpBB versions are tags, like below. With the current way of selecting tags (This is done at the name instead value) it isnt possible to deselect, and you can select both</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples has his hand raised in front of poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>kk - just wanted to let you know <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>waiting to ask what Modification label means/is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FoA's question wasn't answered</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(I'm not submitting - don't scream :P)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is it just me, or does anybody else get a SQL error when viewing their own MODs?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian was next</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:23</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>of course, I don t have any in there, so that could be an issue... I shall report the bug</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>report it as bug yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh make up your mind! <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What's the label for?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes report any bugs, then they will get fixed.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no to your question</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>let me look</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Jayso get's that SQL error too</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i still need my question answered, but i can view my 6 MODs just fine</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes yes, I need to look FountainOfApples:P</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:24</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thanks paul <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's because we don't have any mods submitted</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian doesn't get one</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Installation time should also be radio buttons,. not checkboxes.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jayso +1</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Your MOD submission page is DENIED.... <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: That with the current system not possible, but will change <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>probably for the best <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:25</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the mod label is the revision name, so the char after the version number, so when the version is 0.0.1a, then is a the label</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'd suggest to place it right after the version</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I agree that it need a better name <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but yeah - the error I get is: General Error &lt;ENTER&gt; SQL ERROR [ mysqli ] &lt;ENTER&gt; [0] &lt;ENTER&gt; An SQL error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact the Board Administrator if this problem persists.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>can we change that to release then?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so i shouldn't put 1.2.0a in the version</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>instead 1.2.0, and then a at the end</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>meh, the a isn't that important whether or not it shows</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples submits</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Somebody's being lazy <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:26</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Jayso, yes... bug submitted</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>kk <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>find out if Registration Stopper 1.2.0 is in the queue please? <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so we can see if the update form worked</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lets se</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:27</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hasn't shown up in Pending yet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm arm is getting sore</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>btw &quot;Updating the description isnt yet possible&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 stirs a it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>abit*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>your sure you submitted it?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jhong too</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: just did</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not in the queue</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples tries again</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:28</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, installation time, shouln t those be radio buttons, not check boxes? how could installation be multiple times? :?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yep, should be, but as said, with the current system isnt that possible <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we all took courses in space-time travel</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples submitted</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:29</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and i have a screenshot to prove it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 can't fall asleep- so is raising hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Thats really weird foa :/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0: same issue here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh cool!! I shall have a chat with you about your space-time continuum vialations. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you didnt get any errors?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://myskitch.com/webmacster87%20/phpbb__modifications_database-20070630-012744.jpg">http://myskitch.com/webmacster87%20/phpbb__modifications_database-20070630-012744.jpg</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i hit the second submit button</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then it showed me the same original form again, empty</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, should I submit as a bug?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no errors</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>try the first submit button ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:30</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- wGEric has disconnected (&quot;Leaving&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 RAISES HAND HIGHER</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: this time redirected me to the Overview</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I has just tested it localy, and the first one is working</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>does it show up?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>xyes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(clicked the first submit button)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:31</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Okay, note to myself, second submit is dead</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 has the floor, and maybe one side of a door.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>when are the mods for phpbb3 going to be accepted and entered in the database?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well i didn't fill out any notes to the MOD team this time, all i said was if you guys repack anything, tell me what you repack <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm stamps feet someone skipped the Q</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0: You can already submit it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:32</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Can you talk about the plans for tags and how they will differ to the categories</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples tries again going to sleep, hopes to be up in 5-6 hours to prep for phpBB Weekly, g'night all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- FountainOfApples has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the advantage between tags and categories is that you can select more then one category.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's going to get quieter in here... <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so they are already being validated as working mods?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:33</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Before you was only able to choose one category, but sometimes it was better in 2 categories.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok..</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thx</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Schumi has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The search function will also use these tags, so when a user dont want sql changes, he dont select that tag</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0: Yes, we allow, and validate phpBB3 mods.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian has submitted two mods with the same name, one for phpbb2 and one for phpbb3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:34</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian is wondering if both should've been submitted at once</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No, you should submit mods for phpBB2 and phpBB3 not in one package.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:35</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian slaps smithy_dll back</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm raises hand again</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:36</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>will you be able to see the queue of MODs ahead of you so be able to see where you are in the queue?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian raises hand again</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>At this moment, no.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Removing the need to post and ask</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Ed_L has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jhong raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Are there any MODs that don't have all three tags?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:37</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You mean for file edits, sql etc?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>right</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Ed_L</td><td class="sender-message"><span>extreme styles?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, added 4 bugs for MOD DB to queue... goodnight, see you in a few hours. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Ed_L</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just has one copy, that's it <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>all mods from the old mod have no tags.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol wd highway <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>wd?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You will later able to submit updates to tags.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well done</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:38</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'd suggest to make those KB articles <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh. ty. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 loves that his name is gonna be posted with all his questions!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jhong raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- Ed_L has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>any chance you can get the moddb approved page to list authors' websites?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hope to provide most support on my own site</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:39</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sounds like an alright idea....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I cannot say yes, that I need to discuss. We give a topic at phpBB.com where users can ask support, and that should be the first place to ask.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you could just bypass it by putting that in your profile</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not necessarily</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong, if you want your site to be the first result, don't submit to MODDB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but some ppl don't bother looking</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for mods that integrate phpBB with another package</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or perhaps an optional link for &quot;support link&quot; or &quot;support topic&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:40</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, who was next</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So how many MODs submitted so far?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:41</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you have submitted 3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I mean total</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>4</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian goes on to submit another 5</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:42</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>jhong changes nick to jhong|stomach</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what are you actually submitting as mods damn? lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, any chance the wording could be changed or appended to view MOD to add a link for &quot;support&quot;, as there may be users who are looking for support, but &quot;Announcement topic&quot; may not be clear enough. :-/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>jhong|stomach changes nick to jhong|stomachcra</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODs...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life, submit a bug report</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>k</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:43</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:44</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Here's one with no data changes...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It has been a long time, we anticipate many authors have a large backlog to submit.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Just schema changes lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:45</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Another suggestion</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Deduce those tags by parsing the MOD file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:46</td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&gt;_&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;_&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, we may end up doing that, but as you see this is a large piece of software</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life,</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Are the MOD DB requirements, -- posted as phpBB3 MOD DB requirements -- the same requirements for phpBB2 MODs? -- and if they are the same, it should be named so, and if they are different, then the links should be listed on the submission page</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:47</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they are not the same,</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there are phpBB3 specific references and policies</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but are there not phpBB2 specific references and policies? -- I don t see that listed here. :-$</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:48</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life, in the old KB there are, or was it the old website</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there are/were somewhere</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>soo... should I report it as a bug? something that should perhaps be looked at/added?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>report as a bug</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:49</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if it gets fixed you might climb a place on the wall of fame</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what wall of fame? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Are we required to submit a MODX version?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>wall of fame <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/website/statistics.php?start=1180656000&amp;end=1185926400">http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/website/statistics.php?start=1180656000&amp;end=1185926400</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Jayso changes nick to Jayso`Eating</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">10:50</td><td class="sender">Jayso`Eating</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ahh kk</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, which version of phpBB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Both I guess</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="status"></td><td class="status-message"><span>Disconnected from chat</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:44</td><td class="status"></td><td class="status-message"><span>#phpbb-intl You need to be invited to that channel</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="status"></td><td class="status-message"><span>#phpbb [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! <a href="http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup">http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:45</td><td class="status"></td><td class="status-message"><span>Joining chat room...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="status"></td><td class="status-message"><span>Started talking in phpbb-mod on szombat 2007. 06. 30. 11:45:33</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>Room topic is: phpBB.com MODs Database (in Q&amp;A mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:46</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if you read the spec there is a &lt;sql dbms=&quot;oracle&quot;&gt;&lt;/sql&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but we've never used it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the xslt doesn't support it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it was the intention to make it was for MOD Authors for easyMOD to do all the conversions</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;The Release version number is used to indicate when a fix was made to a revision and re-released.&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>was/easy*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:47</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that is true</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:48</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So that's release, not label</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>:-$ ... I usually provide an auto-install file anyways, and I plan on having it support (usually eventually) all DB types directly, but I m wondering if by NOT providing the exact schema for all of the DB types on submission of my MOD to the MOD DB, if that would be criteria for denial... ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- boecki has disconnected (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>mod authors that sleep-type should be reason enough for denail <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:49</td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>denail/denial</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>zzzzzzzzzzzzz</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you only need to give mysql, OR have an installation script</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: obviously not. Who uses non-MySQL DBMS anyway?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>?!? <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/> damnian! <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:50</td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> hello all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Do you?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi eviL&lt;3 <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FYI, I currently support two types of MySQL, and a couple of my MODs even support Oracle</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What happened to &lt;?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>he lost the love!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>irc <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>irc doesn't let it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lolz</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Major bummer</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:51</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Back to our discussion</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>How many users actually have Oracle?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay, thanks smithy_dll, I go back to sleep now. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>don't believe a word of it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Lots of enterprises!! phpBB now is an option to them..</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:52</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>erm... I have no idea <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> -- I assume it will be a lot more when people start finding out about phpBB3 -- specifically more corporate entities. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sleeping again... zzzzzzzzzzz</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yeah. Well, I guess those won't be using much of MODDB...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>need to provide paid support plans for them</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:53</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Do not count on it. Why would they not?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Our software is free, so is our support.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>exactly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so is my advise. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so the tech guys can't make a business case for it to the suits.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>advice is worth 2 cents</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:54</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh. <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The suits want to pay money</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You mad!!suits like free stuff!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; LEW21_ has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no wait! that s opinion!! <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>LEW21_ changes nick to LEW21</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Schumi_ has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if copper were free would they not use it instead of $5000 per tonne?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they need support hotlines, yadda yadda</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- Schumi has disconnected (Nick collision from services.)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Schumi_ changes nick to Schumi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_ : they use Windows, don't they <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:55</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong|stomachcra, not relevant, copper is copper regardless of cost</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We're diverging, but I think phpBB should look at Linux for business model</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes, but phpBB with community support is not the same as phpBB with paid support.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:56</td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>** not the same form the suits' perspective.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>form/from</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Exactly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>feel free to fork it, or startup paid support</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So suits will gladly buy &quot;phpBB with a 3-year support plan&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; A_Jelly_Donut has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB do not want to sell it. Or support.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:57</td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Such support plans may be written into their internal controls policies</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'd sell it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>support is free with copyright notice, it does not expire</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i.e. any software install on corp network must have support hotline / or a company which can assume liability in case the corp suffers a loss</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:58</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes, but it isn't satisfactory for serious enterprises.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>with software there is no liabilities thanks to brilliant EULAs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: no software company would assume liability in case of losses</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think it's a problem with the corps' mindset -- but unfortunately that mindset exists, and is formalised</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">11:59</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong. Incorrect I work at a company with 160,000~ people. We have a phpBB2 forum. No problem that it is free or no offical support.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:00</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The first question asked by the IT department isn't &quot;what are your features&quot;. It's &quot;what are your support options&quot;.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>free support, non expiring</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Good for you <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/> My company is similar size (Big4 accountants), and there's no way they would accept that. <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":-("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's free, and it's worth every penny <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:01</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>5 minutes until phpBB MODding Documentation Session 1</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i think it's worth more <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>err</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span> phpBB MODding Documentation Session 1</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Not much more unfortunately</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>smithy_dll changes room topic to: phpBB MODding Documentation Session 1 (in Q&amp;A mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|stomachcra</td><td class="sender-message"><span>WordPress seems to have had a big injection of cash due tot he paid support model</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:02</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- A_Jelly_Donut has disconnected (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>jhong|stomachcra changes nick to jhong|haseated</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; A_Jelly_Donut has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; bantu has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is this about <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a>?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:03</td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:04</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So that's why there's no avalanche of questions <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Was it goal of discussion?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>:g/it/s//is/g</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:05</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There's a good question! <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Incorrect documentation we should submit a bug</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:06</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Currently there is lots of headers for the stuff that is missing so we know its come.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>One area I do not see is using the permissions system for MODs. I LOVE the permissions system you shuold have a section on it on documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Lots of stuff could add to &quot;Using phpBB3's Basic Functions&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:07</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>May I suggest using the phpBB wiki as a collaborative documentation effort?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>e.g. how to programmatically add custom profile field, how to check it dueing execution?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>all our documentation is written in docbook</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:08</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is that MODification documentation though if its about CPs?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>docbook is like LaTeX</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There is no phpBB code documentation per se</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Also, where should I store my options? Right now I use my own table, but should I use phpBB's own config table? And how?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, there is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:09</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Here's where a wiki would come to the rescue</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it's somewhere else</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This is the sourcecode documentation till all functiosn and classes @ a51</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>till=with</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>naderman has a wiki</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://area51.phpbb.com/docs/code/">http://area51.phpbb.com/docs/code/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So where's the CPF document?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:10</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hahaha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm suggests adding permission system info to MOD documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That's phpdoc</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:11</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong you can store options using set_config if I remember correct. It will create them if they do not exist</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If you submit a KB article worth of being in the MODs docs, we may ask you to put into a docbook doc and include it in our documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why do you use DocBook?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LaTeX is teh ultimate, XML (docbook) makes it better.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:12</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>build_insert_sql_array (line 792)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Build Array for user insertion into custom profile fields table</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>void build_insert_sql_array ( $cp_data)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span> * $cp_data</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I have submitted a KB article already <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Who needs more documentation than that? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I am meant to speak you you about that.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:13</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But DocBook has many not-so-useful tags (artheader, sectX). In plain XML you can use tags that are useful for you</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So is naderman wiki the definitive documentation resource?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And AFAIK it doesn't have very useful for programming-related tags, like &lt;code&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21, docbook infers proper documentation structure that freeform XML without the xslts already built for doesn't infer</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:14</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it has &lt;programlisting&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: I hasnt had time to finish the DBAL docs.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we're all working tripple shift here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:15</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Want a new member <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/> <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That's why I think this should be done a community effort</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>s/done//</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:16</td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sorry for going off-topic, but smithy, will there be an updated modx xsl for those advanced sql commands (differen't dbms), and will there be a better versioning for that xsl?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm asking about it because I wrote similar to DocBook, but easier format - DocArticle. It contains &lt;section&gt;s, &lt;title&gt;s of &lt;section&gt;s, &lt;code&gt;s and &lt;codeBlock&gt;s and everything that is useful for writing programming-related articles.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If you want to see it, I will write a demo and post a link.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Docbook is just what we use. It doesn't make is wrong.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:17</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>s/is/us/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There's nothing wrong with using a small subset of the available DocBook functions...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I believe there were talks about opening up the documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:18</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB3.0 Documentation, MOD Documentation is completely separate</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:19</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Well, there's no (public) phpBB3 documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Whilst I have a large audience I'll bring attention to the MOD Security tracker. <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/security/mods/tickets.php">http://www.phpbb.com/security/mods/tickets.php</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think that affects MOD authors as well</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:20</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Most of the large audience seems to be asleep <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*wakes up*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:21</td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso`AFK</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&gt;_&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso`AFK</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;_&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Or am I the only one who thinks phpBB should have a wiki?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:22</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Noobarmy has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:23</td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>most wikis for software projects I've seen don't really get any activity</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>exception: phpMyAdmin</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Maybe that's because most software projects only have a handful of contributors</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i think the idea of a kb is better</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>less abusable</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:24</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we have a kb</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i know <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i think that's great</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm the admin, I can handle the abuse</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:25</td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think a wiki is a great idea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>kb articles are more &quot;personal&quot; than official documentation too</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>go the whole hog -- move the code from CVS to a distributed version control system.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>official documentation is docbook</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and we have a KB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:26</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>KB becomes outdated quickly, and updating is a pain</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>most phpBB2 KB articles never went out of date</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Was the KB purged recently?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:27</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we wrote new KB software</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So all the old articles were lost?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>basically</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:28</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>an old mirror is still here <a href="http://www.neothermic.com/kb/">http://www.neothermic.com/kb/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We have all the old articles, and we are putting them back and update them article by article</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Nice</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:29</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why not just use a wiki?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>look, that idea isn't even up for discussion</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:30</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not my say, not yours, we currently have several documentation mechanisms already</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK everybody who thinks phpBB needs a wiki head over to <a href="http://wiki.phpbb.cc/">http://wiki.phpbb.cc/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>naderman has one lets try keep to only one un-offical wiki <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:31</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Mine is better <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Look man, I'm not trying to be the bad guy here. I am just saying like it is.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Now, are you going to stop spamming?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:32</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You said no official wiki. How come linking to an unofficial one is spamming?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You were recruiting.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:33</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You are being the bad guy now :{</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I haven't silences you, kicked you, or banned you.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK point taken</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:34</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|laptop changes nick to paul999|food</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I just think the current discussion isn't very productive that way.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:35</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I let you have your say, and then I told you there was nothing to discuss.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:36</td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In a mod, where should I store my options? Right now I use my own table, but should I use phpBB's own config table? And how?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:37</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>using phpBBs config table would remove a query.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i.e. your MOD would perform faster</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Can you add &quot;adding options to phpBB's config table&quot; to the documentation then please?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>use the set_config() function</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cool -- I'll look into that, thanks.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:38</td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it's in includes/functions.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i think <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I assume there's a suitable get_config?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just use</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Or have to check if array key exists in user-&gt;config?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>$config</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong|haseated</td><td class="sender-message"><span>$config.. that's the one</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:40</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; lefty74 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:42</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what's the policy regarding phpbb_config additions?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>add them?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:43</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You didn't tell that you don't want to see DocArticle demo, so I made it <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/> <a href="http://xnteam.pl/DocArticle_demo.xml">http://xnteam.pl/DocArticle_demo.xml</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:44</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>now have it compile svg into a PDF</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:46</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm planning to write DocArticle -&gt; DocBook XSL, so it will be possible to compile it to all formats supported by DocBook's XSL files</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; RisingWar has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:47</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Isn't DocBook a different schema?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:48</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes, but XSL files can transform from one schema to second</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>For example this demo uses example DocArticle -&gt; XHTML XSL file.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Really? I thought XSLT was all about presentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:49</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XSL != XSLT</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>poyntesm changes nick to poyntesm|getting</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian slaps himself</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XSL == XSLT</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes, XSL contains something more than XSLT, but nobody knows what <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>poyntesm|getting changes nick to poyntesm|eating</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the MODX XSLT converts from MODX to HTML</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if smithy says I'm wrong, then it is true</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:50</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I thought XSL was a TLA for XSLT <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I at one point wrote one to convert from MODX to text template</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, three letter acronymn, yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>.xsl is to .xslt as .htm is to .html</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:51</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So I was right!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There are W3C specyfications for XSL and XSLT</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XSL is Extensible Stylesheet Language, XSLT is XSL Transformations</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they are a W3c recommendation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So you can transform a document to a different format, not just represent it differently?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:52</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Cool</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it presents it in a different format</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You can for example transform XML output from your script to XHTML or RSS</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So I could hit &quot;Save As...&quot; and get a MODX file in a text template?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:53</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Stylesheet_Language">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Stylesheet_Language</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If somebody will write program that parses XML with XSL and returns output, yes.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But nobody wrote it <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hahaha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:54</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The simplest method of looking to the transformed source is using PHP5's XSLProcessor class</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So I wasn't entirely wrong when I said it doesn't actually transform to a different format...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- llamafier has disconnected (&quot;kthxbye&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:55</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XSL is a language. Most browsers (if not all) transforms XML with XSL and displays the effect, but not gives its source</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>With PHP5's XSLProcessor you can check the source of the effect</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:56</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there are about a dozen XSLT processors</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:57</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes, but when using PHP5's XSLProcessor you don't have to download everything (except PHP5, but most devs already have it installed on their computers)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>jhong|haseated changes nick to jhong|loo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|food changes nick to paul999|laptop</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MSXML and .NET come with windows</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:58</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there are a tonne of options</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But you (probably) have to write any program in for example C++ to use their XSL parser</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">12:59</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Probably all people on this chat know how to write PHP scripts, but not all know how to write C++ programs <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:00</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>on linux you can just go xsltproc file.xsl file.xml</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't have Linux so I didn't wrote anything about it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:02</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But: what do you think about DocArticle?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:03</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Jan500 has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:04</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; boecki has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:08</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>jhong|loo changes nick to jhong|offtheloo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:09</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- boecki has disconnected (&quot;Enttuscht vom Affen, schuf Gott den Menschen. Danach verzichtete er auf weitere Experimente&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:11</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; popo has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:12</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>A_Jelly_Donut changes nick to Donut|Work</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:17</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Smithy_dll: Are you still there?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So: what do you think about DocArticle?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:19</td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- popo has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't see the point</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:22</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It is easier than DocBook, it doesn't contain all DocBook's unuseful features and in contains features useful for programming-related articles</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:23</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(for example &lt;code&gt; and &lt;codeBlock&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>its kinda like the wiki discussion...they've spoken adn won't change</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:24</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I can also write DocBook (in version used in KB) -&gt; DocArticle XSL if you will allow people to see DocBook version of KB articles</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Jayso`AFK changes nick to Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Jayso changes nick to RG|Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:25</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hmm... Why you're hiding DocBook version of KB articles?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:26</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>KB articles aren't docbook</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:27</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Then: Why you're hiding DocBook version of the documentation?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we're not</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we public the html transformation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>publish*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But it isn't possible to download the DocBook version</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:28</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that is correct</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But: why?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:30</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; barry_carlyon has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>barry_carlyon changes nick to barrycarlyon</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:31</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>morning all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:32</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So did i miss anything while i was afk? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:33</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You missed 20 minutes of discussion about XSL</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:34</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmm - kk</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:35</td><td class="sender">poyntesm|eating</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what is next topic?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:36</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>poyntesm|eating changes nick to poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Writing MODs for phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sweeeet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that starts in around 25 minutes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But I missed discussion about MODX <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why it was so early?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:37</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You can always ask your question now (Nobody else has question about current topic futher?) Or at the end of the day</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is anyone logging all of this or something?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway of Life is logging this</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Several MOD team members are loggin it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*logging</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>kk</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>loggin sounded cooler <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:38</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hehe</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Iam a bit back to MODDB code</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol why? cos we picked all the faults <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:39</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that also</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but not everything is finished yet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>jhong|offtheloo changes nick to jhong</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODX documentation says that modifications for non-default templates should be placed in /templates/ directory</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:40</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But phpBB3 uses phpBB3/styles/, so I think that we should place them in /styles/ directory</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you would be looking at phpBB2 documentation i believe</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Will it be accepted by MOD team?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>follow the specification</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:41</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(i think he's got that bound to a button)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:42</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>More specifically this specification <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/policies/moddb-3.0/index.php">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/policies/moddb-3.0/index.php</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:43</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So - next question. Are you planning to release any new version of MODX specification?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:44</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I wouldn't rule it out.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&gt;_&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:47</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Next question: Do you have an estimated date of opening phpBB3 MODDB?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>around 4 hours ago</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:48</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hahaha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I didn't figure it would open until 3.0.0 was released</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>WOW!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh, right for 2.0 mods</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It really works!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB3 mods are also able to be submitted <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Here:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:49</td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;paul999|laptop&gt; Before we begin, I will first give you some good news. The phpBB.com MOD team has just opened the MODs database for new submission of MODs!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>* FountainOfApples will come to the 18:00 UTC session on MOD Database, time to make myself go to sleep so that i'll be awake for phpBB Weekly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;FountainOfApples&gt; OMG REALLY?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;paul999|laptop&gt; Now lets start by explaining the MODs database. The MODs database is a collection of approved mods validated by the MOD team.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;poyntesm&gt; Woohooo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;Jayso&gt; hmm - this sounds prerecorded <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:50</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>LEW21 opens Zend Studio to finish Quick Posting 3.0</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i think the phpBB3 mod queue is up to 5.... that's what i last saw lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:53</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>huh?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there are 5 phpBB mods in the Mod Team's que</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>where do you see that? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":p"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes, 2 my old MODs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:54</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I sent them before MODDB for 3.0 was closed <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>someone said that before paul <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>didnt know the queue was open...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>might be closed if paul is fixing those bugs we found lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>some of them are already fixed <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is that mysql error fixed? lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:55</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol yay</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Can someone delete my Recent blabla MOD from the DB? It's out-of-development.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there are at least 9</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: That is one of that mods you submitted directly after the site came back?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:56</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i submitted 8</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That will be denied in the next days</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oooh the queue is open...#</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>speaking of moddb</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And they will be deleted from the DB or I will see it on list of My MODs?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you will see it on My MODs list</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>shouldn't in queue and denied be separate statuses?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:57</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: Yes, but the status isnt saved in that table, and I need to write a nice query to get that.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:58</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it's just that it doesn't look very informative in my mods view</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yeah, I know.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that kind of things need to be done</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul can you see if a MOD I just submitted went through ... got lots of errors</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">13:59</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>need some help writing that query? <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>about preg_replace?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hmm... It's possible to rename MODs.... I will just rename Recent blabla to name of MOD that replaced it <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It was a update to my phpBBGarage rather than a new one I should add</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes preg_replace</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just tried...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Preg_replace errors are okay</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>gdgd</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>when you get them, it is submitted</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:00</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I just do not see it in pending tab</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Modification name: phpBB Garage</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Author: poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Modification description:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Modification version: 1.2.0</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Do I see in the queue</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Its a update</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>how come i never got a single error? i must protest this injustice! <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/> - good luck with it (kinda large MOD ;))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:01</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>mine appeared in the my mods....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>New topic is begginning soon <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what topic is next?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:02</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;Writing MODs for phpBB3&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i think..</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>paul999 changes room topic to: Writing MODs for phpBB3(in Q&amp;A mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>uh-oh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>here comes the prerecorded message again <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:03</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>where where where</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>don't have one for this section? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>nope</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>=(</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; boecki has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>writing mods.... Im about to write one for bouncing twitter states.....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>paul999 changes room topic to: Writing MODs for phpBB3 (in Q&amp;A mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:04</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So how do we write a MOD for phpBB3? <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hahaha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>carefully and with pre planning</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but its dependatn on what you mod does on how you write it does it not?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i'm doing planning now as i type <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>though i'm not writing a public mod thing...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>barrycarlyon: cool!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>see coding standards at <a href="http://area51.phpbb.com">http://area51.phpbb.com</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>JSON or XML?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:05</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>prob. json</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.barrycarlyon.co.uk/twitter/">http://www.barrycarlyon.co.uk/twitter/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Got a good parser?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>using the std. javascript function supplied by twiter themselves under badges</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What can I say ... I love phpBB3. They had done an amazing job on the DBAL, template, permissions &amp; module system</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:06</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;they&quot; dont you mean &quot;we&quot; poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>now we've gotta figure out how to use it <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>auth modules are somewhat inferior</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No.. They = developers</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>suppose <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:07</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>barrycarlyon: so it's pure js?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but we i meant us since its the modders, that eventually have their mods included in a standard install, friends and foes for example</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yip damnian</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>why mess with what works da</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian,*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think that when you are creating MODs for phpBB3, you really need to think about it, its different as with phpBB2.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'd prefer having it stored in the DB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:08</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>For twitter downtimes <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, page i linked does both</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>db and fetch...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ooo i've got a question...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Oh I didn't look at the source</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MODs are not included in the standard. The devs have always stated that.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999, its dependant on how you code......</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is there a plan to release RC3 like tommmorow... cos last time i downloaded something you released RC2...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, a lot of what that page does isnt in the source code</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it is different</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:09</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(that you can see)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>barrycarlyon: Not completly. The way of how phpBB3 works is completly different as phpBB2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>like the html templates....#</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>barrycarlyon: This looks very promising. Good luck with your MOD.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ty</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>barrycarlyon: Thats one of the smallest changes I think <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:10</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>barrycarlyon needs to read the new documentation a little more....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the DBAL is very different</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The conditions in the templates are not a small change. Allows you SO much more freedom</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the permission system is also lot better</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>true</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I found using the DBAL to be different yet familliar. Definetly less to worry about.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:11</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but in relation to the DBAL it is small, (its just the first thing that came to mind)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is tehre a tutorial on adding permissions? I don't need one, just curious?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:12</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes. nadermands wiki or you should see some documentation soon if smithy_dll checks his PM <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I found it impossible to reasonably port a function to phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>\away</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thx poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:13</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=74&amp;t=544081">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=74&amp;t=544081</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The main problem with the DBAL is that it doesn't help with CREATE TABLEs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Not only did I get a decent answer, the topic was wrongly moved to Styles Development</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(etc)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>=didn't</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes it does lew21</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:14</td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the developers have a script in the /install/ dir that will build SQL queries</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for CREATE TABLE</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the install dir is deleted tho Donut|Work</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I know about this script</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but MOD authors can still make use of it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Here's an excerpt:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm porting DoppelMe to phpBB3. I'd like to set the background color for each avatar display so that it appears transparent:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://forums.phpbb.cc/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=17">http://forums.phpbb.cc/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=17</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In phpBB2 this was as easy as</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Code: Select all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span> ($i % 2) ? theme['tr_color2'] : theme['tr_color1']</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:15</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In phpBB3 I had to create a new table, phpbb_style_themes_data, and a new query for each page load!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But it should be integrated into the DBAL <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the dbal should not be used to make tables should it not?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>One would expect to find this in the column theme_data in phpbb_style_data, but that one is occupied entirely by the stylesheet.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>DBAL should be useful to everything DB-related <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>on that, I tend to agree</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:16</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian do it in the template</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;!-- IF row.S_ROW_COUNT is even --&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;row bg1&quot;&gt;&lt;!-- ELSE --&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;row bg2&quot;&gt;&lt;!-- ENDIF --&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Where do I define tr_color1 and tr_color2?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:17</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=2981171#p2981171">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=2981171#p2981171</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this for row colours? use the class bg1 &amp; bg2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Use transparent images</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Use transparent images</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Negative to transparent GIF</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Use transparent images</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Use transparent images</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:18</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ups <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: Enter key got stuck? <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So I got smithy's reply.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:19</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is anybody else willing to help?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Use transparent images <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I suppose I could settle for an extra column (rather than an extra table).</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Transparent PNGs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But still... shouldn't there be an easier way?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:20</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=2989603#p2989603">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=2989603#p2989603</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Come on guys, it's all been discussed!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There is a fix for IE6 <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>silly question, what are you trying to do?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Which doesn't work for me.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:21</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: I'm porting DoppelMe to phpBB3. I'd like to set the background color for each avatar display so that it appears transparent</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Throw IE6 outside the window <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/> - Who said IE?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&gt;_&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;_&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what do you mean transparent, and what is DoppelMe?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: I did. I didn't develop it for myself though...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>why not just not set a bg color?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:22</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>IE7 is a security update to IE6</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Now most IE6 users are upgrading to IE7 or changing to Firefox</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That's what I eventually did.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://forums.phpbb.cc/viewtopic.php?f=26&amp;t=19">http://forums.phpbb.cc/viewtopic.php?f=26&amp;t=19</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll, nice <img class="smiley-wink" title=";-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:23</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so why is there a problem damnian, job done....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Note &quot;partial port&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>IE7 is tabs......</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'd never expect a phpBB3 MOD would offer reduced functionality!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Derky has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>depends on what you are comparing it to.....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:24</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm comaring DoppelMe for phpBB2 to DoppelMe for phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(wrt functionality)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>=comparing</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what is DoppelMe (in a nutshell)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In phpBB2 AFAIK most style authors were ignoring color settings and just were writing plain CSS</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:25</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that would be what i would do LEW21, hard code it <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>One would expect added, not reduced, functionality</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:26</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But this added functionality <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In phpBB2 you couldn't add many themes to one template</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In phpBB3 you can</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:27</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://demo.phpbb.cc/viewtopic.php?t=39">http://demo.phpbb.cc/viewtopic.php?t=39</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Not all styles have to use diffrent styles for the rows</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>DoppelMe is a central avatar system</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What if somebody will use row1, row2 and row3?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>central?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Now compare that to <a href="http://forums.phpbb.cc/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=17">http://forums.phpbb.cc/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=17</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK, question:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:28</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>How can I programmatically add profile fields?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I never got a support request wrt row3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Central as in <a href="http://www.doppelme.com/">http://www.doppelme.com/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ah like myuserid for logins you mean?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and the .net passport system....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:29</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yeah, centralised I should say.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>How can I add custom profile fields? API for it?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Unlike OpenID</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: I dont think its really easy</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong, its all in functions_profile_fields.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just create an instance of that class</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Look at the ACP code</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:30</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK --I'll check it out. Was wondering if anyone had it done already....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>acp_profile_fields.php iirc</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why add a CPF programmatically?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:31</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(openid is what i meant not myuserid)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:32</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ah then it's nothing like it!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>DoppelMe compares to Passport</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>While Pavatar does to OpenID</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Since those two are completely decentralised</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:33</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: (a) It's part of the mod... I don't want to have to have a huge DIY install instruction (b) I want to be able to turn off the fields in viewtopic, PMs, memberlist according to settings set in my ACP module.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(a) goes to SQL not DIY</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(b) I will forego for now most likely and just use standard behaviour of CPFs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:34</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(b) changing visibility may be done directly via phpbb_profile_fields</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:35</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: Not really. The CPFs only make sense if my mod is in a certain configuration. If certain functions are disabled, the CPFs are unnecessary. so the ability to switch them on and off is what I am after. If I can do that without template code, it would be great.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Do you need this for the WordPress plugin?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yup</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:36</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I had a similiar problem with MediaWiki</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Although that was just nice-to-have</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:37</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Solved it by letting the user define a CPF at will</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=70&amp;t=554737">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=70&amp;t=554737</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If users aren't allowed to have their own blogs, then the CPFs are unnecessary. If they are, then... they are. Need to know the ID of the CPF so I can change its data according to their Blog ID</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So ideally it'll all be handled by the script</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:38</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So... you're after a blog_id CPF</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:39</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Won't work out of the box</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Since you can't display a CPF without asking the user to specify it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:40</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You'd also need to transform it to a URL, not display a meaningless ID</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:41</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I was actually planning a CPF MOD that would allow the latter</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But there wasn't much demand for it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That's true... in phpBB2, I just used an ID</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:42</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is there any method to automatically include MOD language file in phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>'s module system?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So core code changes will be necessary whatever I do</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I suppose you could define a &quot;Blog URL&quot; field</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>add_lang('mods/yourmod') ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there's a method on the $user object IIRC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah, that one</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:43</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't want to include it only on page with my module</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah. Mind you, the minutseI have to change any core code, it becaomes easy, because I can just hack up whatever is there. OObviously, I'd prefer to do it all without any core code changes though.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I have to include it on all modules</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>minutse/minute I/*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:44</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's because it contains ACP_QP_SETTINGS language entry - name for module used by my MOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: Maybe you could use admin only CPF...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:45</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>IN the docs it sayd module names have to go in common.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But I want to modifi min. number of files <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:46</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Re: module name - yeah, that one seriously cripples phpBB's modularity</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:47</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Re: CPF - nope, it looks like that option is gone</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>All modules should have own directories, that contain: 1. File with the code. 2. File with informations about the module, in XML format (not in PHP arrays). 3. Automagically included language files</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:48</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: Yes but their idea is to display a link to the users blog. I think using the URL is a fine idea. I'll use a language key for the name of the field, and when I need to fill the fields, I'll just iterate through all CPFs loooking for that language key.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: I wouldn't go for (3), but yes, you're correct about the approach</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>why?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:49</td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- Derky has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: What if there is no language file? What if there are two?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: I reckon all languages should be in one dir, makes life easy for translators</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Modules don't need two language files <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm developing a MultiAuth MOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:50</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So you may add additional langfiles and $user-&gt;add them</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So far it has these:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And there is also a method for translators</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:51</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Language distributions should contain all files in one directory</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: there could be a way. For example, aren't the info files all read through on any ACP page. If so, you can find a way to add your languae key on one of those pages.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>adm/style/multiauth.html</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>includes/auth/multi.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>includes/acp/acp_multiauth.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>includes/acp/info/acp_multiauth.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>language/en/acp/multiauth.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>language/en/auth/multi.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:52</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>When installing language, phpBB3 should copy content of /modules subdirectory of language directory to correct modules directories</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>4) style file also should be in module directory</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:53</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But what about the different languages?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Should the directory structure be reproduced?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And module style files shouldn't be modificable - stylers always can modify styles/xx/template/xcp_header.html</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:54</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Content of includes/ucp/blablamodule:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>module.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Actually, we already have MOD packaging guidelines</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>info.xml</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why not simply implement them to the directory structure?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>do the langauge files get cached?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>good <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:55</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>languages/ subdirectory, containing subdirectory for every language, containing auto.php (automagically included everywhere langfile) and other langfiles</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>style.html</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I've got another Q: The install() and unintall() member functions in the module....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no used yet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Who's going to come clean and explain what they are?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*will be for&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>s/no/not/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Then why they are there?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>However, MultiAuth is one example of a MOD which spans across control panels/modules</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>EasyMod?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:56</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian what do you mean span across panels?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Bad idea - all informations for installing a MOD should be in MODX file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I mean it's an auth module, but it's also on ACP</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:57</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>install() and uninstall() will be useful only for EasyMOD - person installing the mod will not check if they contain anything</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>They are seperate though? I have a MOD which has UCP, MCP, ACP modules but each is a seperate module</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm: obviously, the question about the directory structure pertains</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>My Quick Posting MOD 3.0 has very similar UCP and ACP modules</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:58</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: Would be nice to know how they will be used though. Will EM populate them with code, or will I be able to put my install &amp; uninstall routines in them?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So i placed the class &quot;cp_qp&quot; in includes/cp_qp.php and I'm extending it in ACP and UCP modules</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I will not use them.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">14:59</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Are included MOD files not meant to go in ./includes/mods/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What's the proposed directory structure for QP?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And probably EasyMOD will not try to edit them.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And there is a problem <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:00</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; LordLeBrand has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I believe if you include install() and uninstall() in a module they are executed when a module is added/removed via ACP</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:01</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think, that we should change our ideal modula system to contain all modules (UCP, MCP, ACP) in one directory</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: Now that's not a very good idea...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And info.xml should contain info if it's useful for UCP, MCP or/and ACP</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:02</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If so, I will have one directory for QP</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What we could do is make mods/ a sibling</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so we can have e.g. mods/qp/acp/, mods/qp/ucp etc.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:03</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Bad idea. This will require using two directories for placing one type of things</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I do not like that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And also some existing ACP modules are similar to UCP modules</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What do you mean one type of things?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>For example acp_board and ucp_prefs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>modules</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You can't use a UCP module in ACP...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:04</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But it should be possible <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't know about prefs, but Profile is exactly the same</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If there is one directory, settings module will look like this:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So yes, there is room for improvement</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:05</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If you write a module for UCP it should go in the UCP folder. If you create a new type of module (i.e not UCP,ACP,MCP) create a folder at the same level as them and then you modules go in there</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What do you mean by a new type of module?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>module class.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A garage module?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span> /includes/modules/: base.php, ucp.php, acp.php, languages/..., style.html</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:06</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes but that just mine.. you can create your own module class if you wanted.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>base.php should contain class extended in ucp.php and acp.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK let's fork phpBB3 <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Donut|Work</td><td class="sender-message"><span>been there, done that.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Cause I don't think it's gonna change. Not at this stage of development...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You need to edit acp_modules a bit for new class but only about two lines I think and then you have your own module to play with</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So we should write Ideal Modules System For phpBB3 MOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:07</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The editting of common.php language is my main annoyance</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Donut|Work changes nick to A_Jelly_Donut</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for modules that is..</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I added language/xx/auth</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It isn't there by default</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:08</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I guess we could all make similar adjustments</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yeah but in module drop down only common.php is referenced when doing module install</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I add langauge/xx/mods/garage/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>let's change that then <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you sure you can't hack it into an info file somehow?&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they're all parsed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We can add $user-&gt;add_lang, so drop down will work</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A language file reference should be added to info</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:09</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Then its not translatable</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*We can add it to info class</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Right!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just add $GLOBALS['user']-&gt;lang['xxxx']='yyyyy'; in an info file?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Add $user-&gt;add_lang to info!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But it will not work later (info is used only when installing)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That would remove the need for file modifications</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:10</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In my mind the fix is acp_modules should add all ./language/xx/mods/* just for that one page</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You only need it for the module ACP</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We need it always</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK how about this</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>In phpbb_modules is stored ACP_BLABLA_SETTINGS, not Blabla Settings</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:11</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you sure info is only used when installing? where does the module dropdown get its names from?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yea it is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>installing = also managing <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>info/mod.php: $user-&gt;add_lang('info/mod');</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>acp/mod.php: $user-&gt;add_lang('acp/mod');</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>e?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:12</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>one file for all mod-edits? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for everyone to use... hmm not bad</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Damnian, it will work only for Module Management and installed module</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Of course, making info an XML file is preferable</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It has to work everywhere!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>how about adding that to every acp page then...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:13</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You only need the module name in module management</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We can add it to the modules system</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I need it everywhere</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The module name?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you need the name where you view the module too...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What is stored in phpbb_modules?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:14</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>$user-&gt;add_lang('info/qp', 'ucp/qp');</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ACP_BLABLA, not Blabla settings</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>indeed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then maybe class of p_master is where it should go as thats the plugin master class</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So, if I will not add this langvar, ACP_BLABLA will be displayed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(you probably need array() in there)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So, we can add $user-&gt;add_lang to common.php OR p_master class</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:15</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There aren't any other methods</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well p_master makes sense. Only want it on those pages not on all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Are you actually planning a module system MOD?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Maybe <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That at me?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:16</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But I have so many things to do, that I don't know if I will have time for Ideal Modules System MOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I say leave the existing system as is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- lefty74 has disconnected (Connection timed out)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So the MOD writers can use both</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A mod installer mod would be cool</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>easymod for oly <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(i.e. have both info/qp.php and info.xml)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>mod writers provide an xml file with stuff they want created on install</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:17</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the mod install mod would parse it and install the mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There's an EasyMOD in development</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No, stuff like auto module add, auto CPF add, auto permissions add</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It makes little sense to try and replicate it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yea,</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:18</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that's indeed a good idea jhong</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Maybe have a functions_mods.php file for those?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Well there are functions in the MOD writers forum for auto add module &amp; auto permissions.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>like what?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and call them from install()/uninstall()?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:19</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ah yea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>install() and uninstall() arent used in the defualt phpBB3 module system currently</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>duh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Really? That sucks!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul do you know the plans for them?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah -- I wrote the add module one (and the other is poyntesm's IIRC).</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:20</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Would be cool if they were in a distributable class</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I believe they want to use that in 3.2, but nto for sure</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why define them then?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that I dont know</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes I did the permissions ones and they (user/role/group) will be in MOD documentation very soon <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cool <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:21</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But thats not the same as them being in the core code which is what we all really need.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yup</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK I'm thinking of a hack</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:22</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A module checks if the changes have been applied. If they haven't, it calls install()</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>:s</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:23</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Or you could backport the alleged phpBB 3.2 system</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>All our hacks are great and all but we really need core functions, its a huge shame that at the very least module install was not included. Imagine giving a using DIY instructions on adding 30 modules <img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:24</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes that's why I created the auto add function...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Another: Auto BBCode add</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I say let's agree on those functions so we don't have to hack them</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yeah snap I have one too in my installer</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:25</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>add_module()</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Call it &quot;The Modular phpBB MOD&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul do the MOD team get to influence developers at all? Would be great if you guys could pass back info on this.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB 3.0 is feature frozen blah blah blah...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We want add_module() function, so we will be able to use it in our installers!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:26</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>mymod = new mod_install(); mymod-&gt;add_module(); mymod-&gt;add_permission ..... etc</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We want install() and uninstall() to be called!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah but maybe the MOD team can apply pressure we can not <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't want <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We want phpBB Group to delete install() and uninstall()!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:27</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>que? :S <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Because they are un-friendly to users not using EasyMOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(etc)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm forking to phopbamb <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we do not know how they will be used so we can not say that yet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; kellanved has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="operator"></td><td class="operator-message"><span>ChanServ sets user mode +o: kellanved is now a room operator</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So they should delete it, and add it when they will want to use it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>They have nothing to do with EasyMOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>modules != MODs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:28</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*confused*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>although some would like it that MODs = modules <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Don't tell me, there's going to be a repository of auto-installing mods <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/> Like Gallery2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There is no MOD module type</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:29</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Although that would make sense</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We want EasyMOD!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that's probably next now that the MODDB is online</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We want PHP5-only phpBB3!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LOL</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(because PHP5 is sexy :P)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well it'd be a good thing <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a lot of hosts have php4</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We want a wiki, a blog and a CMS integrated! <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but yea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:30</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A_Jelly_Donut: We are busy with easymod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but my own host also still has 4</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah - my host has php4 =(</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>php5 is lots better</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cool</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But if phpBB3 will require PHP5 they will install PHP5</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the MODDB isnt finished still <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*cough*bugs*cough*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>anything specific that needs to be done that you can tell?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&gt;_&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;_&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>10-4</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>except bugfixes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And if phpBB3 requires PHP4, they won't change anything...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>RG|Jayso: I just fixed a bunch <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>EasyMOD should be a part of phpBB really</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eviL3: A lot</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:31</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul can you say what the pending updates bit is about??</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there is a bug about</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I has fixed it alreayd locally</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>about that wiki/blog/cms, i wanna do that <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but i'm kinda inspirationless <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We want CMS in phpBB3! XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>make one <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>excellent.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i think hol is planning to make one</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just give us the phpBB site - we'll make a cms out of that <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:32</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We want source of phpBB.com!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i don't <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dont <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I want the bugtracker <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB3 should be an OPERATING SYSTEM!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a PHP based operating system!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a php operating system == &lt;3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>woooo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>BEAT YA!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah, the team should sell it to microsoftr</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>muhahahahaha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>omg</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*PHP5 based!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>omg no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; FountainOfApples has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>omg yes <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>uh-oh it's FoA</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no plz</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not to MoneyShit <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:33</td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>foa, done the podcast yet?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eviL3: in 2 hours or so</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>16.00 utc?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay, i think i'll listen live for the first time <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Oh I forgot an instant messenger!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Must remember to dial in.. always just get it via itunes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>think so paul999|laptop</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then starts the MODDB session &lt;3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:34</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what's this podcast we speack about?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hehe <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>speak*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpbb weekly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbbweekly.net/">http://www.phpbbweekly.net/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cool - will check out <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:35</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FoA do you ever sleep?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; AcydBurn has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="operator"></td><td class="operator-message"><span>ChanServ sets user mode +o: AcydBurn is now a room operator</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Heh AcydBurn is here!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: just did</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>acydburn the man the legend</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i think he just did <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha acydddddddddddddddd</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yupi!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just lurking a bit around - i do not have that much time.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn, the public demands a rewrite of the module system! <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Now we can tell somebody that we want add_module() function!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:36</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hahaha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poor bastard...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, so i really do not know anything about writing MODs for phpBB3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the module system as in 3.0 is only a placeholder</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well the session is nearly over FoA <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i wanted to add a real module/plugin system but the day is only having 24 hours.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>only 25 minutes to go</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>25 mins - go go go <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Seriously, what about install() and uninstall()?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>RG|Jayso: i wanted more than 3 hours of sleep <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>install() and uninstall() are a leftover from the envisioned system paul had. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But you will release phpBB 3.2.B1 after next 10 years!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:37</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but i really don't know what questions to ask, i'm simply 100% lost when it comes to phpBB3 :/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I has last night only 2.5 hours sleep <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We don't have so much time!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&gt;_&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: Is it that difficult to implement?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;_&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: only reason i was here for MODX and MODDB last night was because i couldn't fall asleep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:38</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Can you add automagical mod lang file inclusion?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lets see what the next session is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Getting to know phpBB3's inner workings for MODding</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>something to do with mods paul...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah..</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples thinks he'll open up the phpBB Weekly call early, do a pre-show</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: no, but if you do it you need to do it right. At the moment there is no need (for us) and until gold nothing will be added or changed, sorry.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: Come on, we have a workaround for that!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>looking forward to the next session <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Next session will be Getting to know phpBB3's inner workings for MODding</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>... ^</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:39</td><td class="sender">eviL3</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that'll be interesting for you, i think, foa <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: link please?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Just add automagical langfile inclusion... Nothing more, only it! It will help every phpBB3 MODder!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but we may &quot;adjust&quot; plans after gold - who knows if there are feature additions between minor revisions, now we intend to release candidates between minor revisions.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>awesome plan</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yay</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>A_Jelly_Donut does a happy dance</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:40</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>LordLeBrand too</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>excellent..</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: at the moment i only see the need for it for the menu descriptions.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: <a href="http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=12418">http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=12418</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i reckon phpBB should just make their OWN version system to make it all work <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; eviL3[laptop] has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: Wouldn't that cause an even longer development cycle?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>apart from this you are able to include your mod language with add_lang</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>barrycarlyon shoots everyone who is dancing</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: and that's the problem</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples passes around the deep-fried pickle hearts</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hey there smith</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>;p</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If you will not add it, we will have to always edit common.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:41</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If you will add it, we won't have to do it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: not necessarily, if we find at least four new developers. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Millions of MODs users will not have to do it!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Balint has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>RG|Jayso changes nick to RG|Jayso`BRB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:42</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: 9 women don't make a 1-month pregnancy period...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You did this with permissions... Just move it to the p_master</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol damian</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21 and @all: generally, i am quite open to patch files. Highway for example submitted some and i still intend to review them once gold (though they are, honestly, mostly of a bad quality).</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: you guys need more CCPs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the CCPs did only work out in regard to finding 2 new developers.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or maybe next year, should participate in google summer of code</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What ever happened th the CCPs?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Oh, ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:43</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what are CCP's?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes love the permission auto add of lang. Good example of how it should work for modules</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FOA: they were denied this year, recall</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The problem with the CCP is you need to actively push those participating, else they will just vanish.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>DavidMJ and naderman came on from the CCPs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>barrycarlyon: Community coding projects</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ty paul999</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the active ones are became features for phpBB3.2 along with the devs becomming phpBB devs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>At least Events</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21, do it and submit a patch</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it just means a new opportunity for MOD authors <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and finding David was a very good thing for phpBB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>nils too</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:44</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples thinks that MODdings Most Wanted Round 3 should be all of the rejected CCPs <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they're both great debs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I was one of the users who was working on a CCP, but the problem for me was that i (Add that moment) hasnt enough time to work on it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>devs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, life on the team</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Nils did an exceptional job on the search plugins and ip/url matching, david regarding cross-db compatibility, UTF-8, etc. Without david and nils i think we would've been still in beta. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't mean to minimize anyone else, but I really respected David's work on the deep backend like UTF-8...yeah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So the estimated CCP to core lifecycle is about... 5 years?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:45</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>err, no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no estimates</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>its dependant on the project</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>IF the CPP got two new excellent developers to phpBB then they were worth it in my opinion. Just wish they were more visible.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:46</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it'</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn --- some minor changes need to be made before final IMO. For example, &quot;font-weight: bold;&quot; is hard-coded for the moderator lists</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span> it's better the way things are</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if phpBB had done Summer of Code they might have had better commitments</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong, bug tracker</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>because google pays <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: ditto</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>johng: I think that's already filed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:47</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/> it is always the same problem we also have with devs... once added you will see a dropping curve for most of them. Then, school comes, uni, work... the time each developer is able to work on the code is very tiny. But if you add more developers you may break the point of unmanageable code quality, decreasing by each dev you add.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Prefer people doing it cause they want to rather than are paid. Long term better chance of them sticking round</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>RG|Jayso`BRB changes nick to RG|Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>with a baby only one woman can gestate at a time</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why was phpBB denied from Summer of Code?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the same is true for the CCP's - normal life itnervening, you need to let the motivation curve being a line. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but with software, if you break it up into modules, people can work on different parts</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:48</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Google ran limited places and they all went to larger projects I suspect.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: a great plan for phpBB4 <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>nonono - phpBB 3 Final <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>3.2 <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":p"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, that's how phpBB Development has always been done</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>exactly smith</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: exactly what we do *not* want... there are internal parts assigned, yes. But once you let the &quot;distributed&quot; system in there is no way back - and i believe this causes very very bad code quality</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>y</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB 3.x isn't modular yet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes, there will be a 3.2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:49</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the reason there wasn't a 2.2 is because the development team then went crazy and changed too much</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol 3.2 will end up turning into 4 <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>naderman and Acyd did most of the MCP, but everyone has contributed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then they decided to make it 3.0 and go all the way</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dougt it RG|Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and that's why it's taken over 5 years</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>one general request: if phpbb core function names could be given less generic names, it would be great.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh my... the 5 years argument.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:50</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn, I wasn't talking about &quot;modular&quot; I meant you can take different systems away and work on independently without cutting other devs grass too much</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's not over yet <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>to be honest, you all get the story slightly or completey wrong. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: not an argument, there's a perfectly good reason <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: exactly how we do it internally.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>indeed, as I said <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: is there a way to get it right without giving out classified info?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The problem with 5 years is that most of the feature list becomes obsolete</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:51</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmm, let me try... i only was added late in the game...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>alright stop there. This isn't a bug the dev team until they go insame session.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-unhappy" title=":-("/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the time i was added phpBB 2.1 was half-finished (or 1/4 - i do not remember that much)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples plays the rathole theme</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:52</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but i know only paul worked on it - i think &quot;the first year&quot; was only &quot;planning&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they did not begin coding after 2.0.x was released.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>also i bet 2.0.x consumed a lot of time.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>How does the decision making process look in the dev team?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:53</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it wasn't immediate, some initial work was done on top of 2.0.x but was all eventually scrapped from what I saw as area51 progressed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>anyway... the problems we faced was normal life... meaning there was a time were we committed or did nothing, nothing at all, for a half year or a year.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>due to personal problems.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no developers, no pc time, nothing.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Patch finished!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://xnteam.pl/please.txt">http://xnteam.pl/please.txt</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ashe went awol for example or had no access to a computer, etc.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: bug tracker please...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: kudos, though that's not a patch <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:54</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't have any .patch generator <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples is trying out the new auto-update package for phpBB3 RC-1 to RC-2 in order to talk about the process on the podcast today</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: and you really want to include ever mod language file?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>RG|Jayso says: Cool foa</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not a good idea - a lot of data.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Very bad idea</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a lot of overhead</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no not a good idea at all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I say go for info.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it would most likely kill the system. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:55</td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- Noobarmy has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, i will edit it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>info_MODNAME.php ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>maybe have a prefix for the file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes, something like that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>module_</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It will include only files starting at module_info_</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>also fyi to have clean coding it should be if (strpos($var1, $var2) !== false)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>in conjunction with our naming it would be info_</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Or better: ending at _module_info</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Heheh I won <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:56</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>evil, .php have to be at the end of filename <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>5 minutes until the next session</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if strpos($var1, 'info_') === 0)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>back to the 5 years... yeah... substract 3 years due to no work being done.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ain't that the truth :/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: Why not recruit developers for the dead periods?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>dev team has been doing great since 2005</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:57</td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Well its looking good new and thats what counts. Can not change history just learn from it <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>indeed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>s/new/now/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, I tried to tell Paul that when he was leading the dev team</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- eviL3 has disconnected (Connection timed out)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A_Jelly_Donut, were you on the team?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no, never</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:58</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Again, just for future functions, any that are not inside classnames, can you make their names a bit more specific? say, add phpbb_ to them or something? There's cross-over with other packages</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul got a lot of hate mail/hate posts when he was on the team</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but Paul and I had a few rounds on this topic</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm sure, FoA</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Look, I'll say it once more, this is not about the management of phpBB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>classnames/classes/*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this is the MOD Authors convention</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn can you maybe talk a tiny but about the relationship between MOD and DEV team? Do features/ideas from the MOD team get more weight?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>new topic starting in a min or two <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">15:59</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>three <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>two</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>how about we all be quiet for 2 minutes <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for example get_userdata</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why all my regExes always fail!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>... too generic</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: it's not that easy - a new dev need to learn a lot, internal stuff, communication and writing proper code - we are proud of having such a high code quality. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/> From the past we learned that adding a dev telling you he is doing 10 years of php, etc, etc, is not working. The dev need to be very competent in phpBB and also being able to make compromises with his ego, adhering to the...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>...standards we have. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/> Therefore we watch out those submitting patches, doing mods, etc.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and the last mod i saw for 3.0.x was horrible (sql injection, xss, very bad coding, not understanding code)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: one thing they're trying to do is to not have long functions like phpbb_get_the_users_userdata()</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what mod was it?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:00</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: I hope that one wasn't mine <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>poyntesm prayers it was not my MOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FoA: But many are too generic, which makes combining with other packages more awkward.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Can someone fix this regEx? '/info_([a-z0-9_])+\.' . $phpEx . '/'</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i'm sure</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>without decent namespaces in PHP, it's really important</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what are you trying to match LEW21 ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MOD Team and Dev team work autonomously and indepdendently of eachother in normal day to day operation.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>info_blabla.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the last topics mod iirc</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>are you using the &quot;i&quot; flag?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:01</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>just so that i don't get people yell at me saying that i messed up the description of the phpBB3 auto-updater</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>get_phpbb_userdata would be fine</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>smithy_dll changes room topic to: Getting to know phpBB3's inner workings for MODding Session 2 (in Q&amp;A mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yay</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is it replacing the changed files or only the changed lines?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Welcome to the second session for Getting to know phpBB3's inner workings for MODding.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Back to the subject of documentation, a &quot;Writing secure MODs&quot; section seems appropriate</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: no regex in loops please. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21, use it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Better are two strposes?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>4 strpos ~= 1 regex</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:02</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>depending on the expression, the cpu cycles needed are mostly more than for string functions.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and then within a loop and a high-volume board adds up quite quickly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:03</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: so when are you starting the podcast?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://xnteam.pl/please.txt">http://xnteam.pl/please.txt</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>mEAL is slow cos it uses lots of regex to scour your code.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: pre-show in about an hour, actually show in two</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:04</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: What is today in the podcast?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: do I need to download anything to listen live?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>talking about phpBB3 RC-2 and the MOD Authors Convention</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>He'll remember to mention the MODDB is now open</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>that too</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The problem in submitting this to the bug tracker is that it isn't a bug</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I have a Q: The string shown in &quot;who is online&quot;, for example, &quot;viewing XXXX&quot; , &quot;posting a XXX&quot; -- is that automatically generated, or can I choose my own?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or he'll forget because I mentioned it, someone that tends to happen.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What? The MODDB is open? <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: there's a way you can listen live in your web browser, but if you download the free talkshoe live! client, you can participate in the chatroom</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.talkshoe.com">http://www.talkshoe.com</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: no problem.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>something*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:05</td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian, you submitted like 20 MODs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>at least</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>johng: read the code in viewforum.php...it reads the page from the SESSIONS_TABLE, and then assigns a lang string</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*viewonline.php</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: I'd appreciate if you'd move it to IRC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: everything except support requests should go in there... if i deem it inappropiate i will close it. This way it gets not lost, even if closed.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:06</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll: I'm kidding. And there were only 8 of them!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: that's just what the website set up</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eh... weren't we supposed to be talking about the inner workings of phpbb3 :S <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:07</td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we're in Q&amp;A mode</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: I mean, we're all in IRC now. Why not just add a channel for phpBB Weekly?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you put your hand up, someone will acknowledge you, and you ask your question while everyone else is quiet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>* hands up for question</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: might do that to stop the side conversation in here <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:08</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/phpbb3/ticket.php?ticket_id=12887">http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/phpbb3/ticket.php?ticket_id=12887</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Is the overhead on conditions low enough in the template system to no really worry too much if you have lots of them?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>each disk access has cost. The cost is random seek time.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>random seek time runs in the milliseconds.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:09</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK, now everybody write &quot;Please fix it!&quot; as a comment for this bug!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">smithy_dll</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21, no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(joke)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:10</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poyntesm: the overhead on compiling is minimal... the condition is mapped as a php condition within the compiled template...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But overall, for mods, it is better to define conditions within the code and use S_* vars for checking them</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Dudeman has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this results in a more readable template file and the &quot;logic&quot; being within the code</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Dudeman</td><td class="sender-message"><span>stupid power surge &gt;&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:11</td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Dudeman changes nick to Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for some things you need to bend it a bit of course (as we did with prosilver)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:12</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>please take any phpBB Weekly discussion to #phpbb-weekly so that we stop interrupting the MOD Authors Convention</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Thanks. That is the design I use. It certain is great not to have to have switch blocks anymore</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:13</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>switch blocks (as in 2.0.x) should no longer be used.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>only for real loops.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the if possiblity is a great addition</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:14</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: What is the difference between using BEGINELSE and using a IF with checking op .blockname?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:15</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>BEGINELSE is not as heavy as .loop - but both have it's merits since BEGINELSE is supposed to be an else block (executed if the loop is empty), but if you want to check if the loop is empty *before* using the loop you are only able to use .loop.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:16</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this basically evolved while doing prosilver, having much more requirements and being more complex than subsilver2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:17</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh, there is no noticeable speed difference btw, with heavy i only mean: &quot;more code to run&quot; here. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:18</td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>good question <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:19</td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I have a DBAL question...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK, why global YES overwrites local NEVER and local YES overwrites global NEVER?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:20</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Kellvaned tagged this as &quot;not a bug&quot;, but this IS a bug!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>link to bug report?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">poyntesm</td><td class="sender-message"><span>local and global are different though ??</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- bantu has disconnected (&quot;Bye ...&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/phpbb3/ticket.php?ticket_id=12795">http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/phpbb3/ticket.php?ticket_id=12795</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: local permissions are different to global permissions... they do not interfere. Handle them as if they were two different permission *classes*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:21</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the logic is done within the code if global and local permissions meet each other.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But NEVER shouldn't been overwritten by anything from anywhere</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it does not</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but local is different to global,</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if you see a bug it is always the code logic - permission wise they are not overwriting theirselves.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>local is only valid within the local scope, global only within the global scope</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:22</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>because global is defined as forum_id == 0 and local forum_id &lt;&gt; 0</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if you see &quot;unexpected&quot; behaviour it is most likely because of (wrong) assumptions made within the code/frontend (mostly MCP)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:23</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>also, do not mix it with acl_getf_global (this is checking local permisisons - forum permissions are never global)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:24</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Example: Global Moderators have global moderation permissions. But admin don't want to give them this permission on Super Secret Admins And Mods Forum, so he sets local permissions to never. And Global Mods still can moderate it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:25</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>exactly.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And admin won't know about this until he will see permissions masks or they will edit his posts!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:26</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>as i said, global and local are independant... global mod permissions will apply to every forum, and this is the end (no local permissions checked, they are in a different scope).</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- RG|Jayso has disconnected (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:27</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if this evolves to real problems we may check for additional local permissions within the MCP - but you won't see this within the trace then.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But normal people doesn't know that never doesn't mean never.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>can a global moderator also moderate forums he cannot see?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>btw, this behaviour should be documented within the documentation, if not, open a bug report within the documentation tracker</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: never *does* mean never</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But nobody reads the documentation <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:28</td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>how do you know? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but as i said... global permissions are completely seperate to local ones, they will not affect each other.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; S2B has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I have a template question</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK, but normal user won't read a documentation and won't know about it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:29</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>with phpBB3 you really should read the documentation, every admin should do so. If an admin thinks this is not needed than he need to learn the hard way. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or one of us support freaks will poke it in the admin's face <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: honestly, i would like to see those denying any existence of documentation to be completely shut off the internet</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'll even help unplug the tubes.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Think about people that doesn't know English</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;gosh darn it, nobody reads the manual!&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:30</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Before all international support sites will translate the documentation, many admins will start their forums</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If I'm not mistaken a lot of international support sites have translated the fine manual</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB3 is having a learning curve, it is a lot more complex and therefore need to have some documentation and the admin willing to learn a bit.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But with complexity comes power</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we try to get the international support teams to translate the documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the german guys already confirmed that they will do it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: not speaking English is in lot cases a problem, but if you want something, you need to go for it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:31</td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>some from the dutch support site have translated the starters guide afaik</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- boecki has disconnected (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>At phpbb3.pl we will also do it, but not before we will finish our translation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And probably we will not finish the translation until gold</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:32</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>AcydBurn: All you mentioned earlier does seem to be available in the docs, <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/documentation/3.0/quickstart/quick_permissions.php">http://www.phpbb.com/support/documentation/3.0/quickstart/quick_permissions.php</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>At phpbb2.pl and phpbb.pl nobody thinks about translating the documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:33</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we also think about giving them our docbook files...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this way it is much easier to translate.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Give everyone, not only them!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- poyntesm has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:34</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We at phpBB3.pl aren't official support site, but we also want to translate it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they are copyrighted... they are not GPL... do not forget this.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the problem with giving them away is having a lot of very different, half-completed, more-completed documentations - this is only bad for the end user.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:35</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what *i* want to see is a comment-like documentation like the mysql one at phpbb.com</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>with the ability for people to comment on sections of the documentation.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Something like php.net uses?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then, the original documentation being translated 1:1 but using the comments from phpbb.com - maybe phpbb.com providing a system php.net is using.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this would be really great</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:36</td><td class="sender">iWisdom</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Indeed it would</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I know php.net is using docbook for their documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>translated documentation on different sites but control on our side.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sighh don't start this docbook argument again <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we use docbook</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples passes around the deep-fried pickle hearts</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Jayso changes nick to RG|Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:37</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yay my ghost died</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>got me nick back</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sorry for being off-topic, but is the dev team planning on using GPLv3?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I made DocArticle, standard similar to DocBook, but better for programming-related articles</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Its demo: <a href="http://xnteam.pl/DocArticle_demo.xml">http://xnteam.pl/DocArticle_demo.xml</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>RG|Jayso: whatever happened to using /ns ghost username password</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eviL3[laptop]: at the moment, no...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thanks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:38</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>FountainOfApples: I'm a GameSurge nerd... we don't use NickServ there...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Acyd, what do you think about it?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21, ....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What? I want to know his opinion <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:39</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Imladris has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:40</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: you may want to ask dhn, he is our &quot;docbook&quot; guy managing the documentation team.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:41</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(in other words, Acyd doesn't have the heart to tell you no :P)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:42</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this has become more of a &quot;Getting to know phpBB3's inner workings for translation&quot; session <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I have a template question</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i still have a few minutes, the topic is &quot;phpBB3's inner workings&quot; with the emphasis on MODs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:43</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smitthy_dll is the moderator.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Iam the moderato</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ou</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oi</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>smithy_dll is sleeping</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I had an XML DTD in a template file, and noticed it was stripped out. Is this done on purpose?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>raise your hand, get chosen, ask your question...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:44</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Comments are deleted by template system</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>RG|Jayso raises jhong's hand for him so that paul sees it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Maybe everything similiar alsop</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>jhong raises hand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*also</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This was stripped out: &lt;?xml version=&quot;1.0&quot; standalone=&quot;yes&quot;?&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:45</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So this isn't DTD &quot;{</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*:P</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Isnt that because the ?&gt; ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: this method to use &lt;?xml is obsolete and should not be used. If your php.ini has short tags enabled you will also get php notices. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It is XML definition (or something like this)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>why doesn't the template system like ?&gt; ?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we strip php tags within the template</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>therefore the line is being removed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:46</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's not obsolete!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it's been obsoleted by phpBB3 <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's a part of XML specification</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:47</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: according to the XHTML specification it is not needed. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/> Every browser will ignore it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>OK...what should I use? I see it at the top of MODx files</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this is because MODx files are XML</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So this is unneded, but not obsolete</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there, it is needed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And AFAIK XHTML 1.1 requires it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Isn't XHTML XML?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: it should never be written before the DTD, some browsers will switch to quirks mode.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so as long as I send the right header, I don't need it?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>according to SHS` <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:48</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(this is for an XML AJAX response)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; APTX has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if you will use .xml extension, browsers won't <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>indeed, but the question was about our template.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>With application/xml MIME type also won't</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and there, it should not be used.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:49</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So no we can't use the template class for XML?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>=now</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(that's becasue I don't like HTML :P)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: i think this is going beyond the scope here. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/> It could be endlessly discussed, then the IE arguments being passed, then the accept header parsing put in... etc, etc.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:50</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>right now I'm just echoing out the &lt;?xml version=&quot;1.0&quot; standalone=&quot;yes&quot;?&gt; then putting the rest in the template.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damnian: i never tried the template class with XML files, but it will definatly strip out any &quot;&lt;([\?%])=?.*?\1&gt;&quot; blocks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I see. We're off to MODding the template class...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:51</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or enabling PHP within the ACP and disabling short open tags within the php.ini</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or modding the template class to not strip &lt;?xml definitions</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:52</td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>why don't you replace &lt;? with &lt;?php echo '&lt;?' ?&gt; instead of deleting it?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The latter is probably the way to go. Although it would be best done by the dev team <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:53</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>would &lt;?xml actually get parsed as php if ommitshorttags is off? I assume it would look for the function &quot;xml&quot;.? Relatively easily secured by just making a phpBB version of the function</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes, i think &lt;?xml should be possible</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: always remember, compiled templates are php files, parsed by PHP.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>for xml files the php parser is not called (if configured properly)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:54</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>S2B: because it is not the purpose of the template engine... we chose to strip php instead of echoing it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if php parsing is disabled.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(which is the default setting)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:55</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- MarkTheDaemon has disconnected (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But if I want to echo &lt;?php echo 'lalala'; ?&gt; with a template file?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And MODs that require that setting enabled will not be accepted by the MOD team.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>S2B: you write lalala within your template</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999: Good.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>templates should never include php code. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/> The php code is within the php files.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>this is the purpose of templates</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No, i meant if I want to echo the php code <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>else you would not need them</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:56</td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;code&gt;&lt;?php echo 'lalala'; ?&gt;&lt;/code&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>S2B: &lt;&lt;!-- --&gt;?php ? :)(Its not very nice)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:57</td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Ah, thanks. But that should work with the &lt;?xml as well, I think</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes... direct print out does not work... if you write it directly within the template. But i think this is not really common sense. For example i wonder why no one ever submitted a bug stating: &quot;hey, i can't write {SOMETHING} *as is*&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; eddywatson has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:58</td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hello</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LOL. true. The xml is only a minor inconvenience anyway. I can always pass that string as a template vart</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>vart/var/*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hi eddy <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So just MOD that regex then?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hey guys</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dont think it will work with the XML thingie, as there cannot be comments between it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">16:59</td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but the template engine strips comments you said before...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I didnt say that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then someone else said that^^</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I dont know if thats true</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:00</td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 wakes up, needs a bathroom break!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but when I look at the source at phpBB.com, there are comments in the source</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>T50Webmaster0: really interesting information</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:01</td><td class="sender">kellanved</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the engine does not strip comments not holding template instructions</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>we once thought about stripping them - but this would also remove the copyright within the template. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:02</td><td class="sender">kellanved</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and the javascript functions <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and if passed to external apps they may need comments</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;&lt;!-- IF {VAR} --&gt;&lt;!-- ENDIF --&gt;?xml ...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>maybe that works^^</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes, and javascript. <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>JS should be in CDATA blocks though</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>S2B: apart from wrong syntax... this may work</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jhong: strictly speaking, yes.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:03</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>compliant xhtml parsers shouldn't execute anything within &lt;!-- --&gt;, including JS</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">S2B</td><td class="sender-message"><span>wrong syntax... could be true, I haven't worked with phpBB3 so far...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 tries to give interesting content!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>should not means not automaticcy dont not</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:04</td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah, they apparently all do <img class="smiley-happy" title=":-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:07</td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hey guys sorry if this is at the wrong time... but does anybody when phpBB3 will go gold?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Its done when its done</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; quirxl has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>will it just be as easy to upgrade from RC2 to the new one, as RC1 was to RC2</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:08</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eddywatson: yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes... maybe easier.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thanks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>the resources needed always depend on the bytes changed (the reason why i left out the recode_cjk.php file - this would have given a lot more people problems)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it was easy, HOWEVER i need to refix te rest of the styles for handymans chat</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:09</td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ok, i need to go... i wish everyone (and especially the MOD Team) a healthy remaining convention. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Thanks AcydBurn <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>cya dude</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">T50Webmaster0</td><td class="sender-message"><span>:bye:</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jhong</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thx AB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>bye</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:10</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>bye and thanks</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">AcydBurn</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no problem. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/> maybe the dev team is holding a convention in the future - there seems to be demand given the questions. <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I think it was for most of us a interesting chat <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- AcydBurn has disconnected (&quot;ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>T50Webmaster0 goes and watches some tv on the comfy/lazy chair!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:11</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>when i updated to rc2 it looped on &quot;recheck the files&quot; after an ftp upload</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Only 50 minutes before the next session</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The next session will be again the MODsdb</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:12</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ughhh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>don't wanna repeat a session <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i'll head off soon lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>All sessions are 2 x 2 hours <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop: you're not next</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB MODding documentation is next</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:13</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>indeed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then MOD Database</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>argh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah, you are true</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>then I has more time to fix my bugs <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:14</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lolly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hmm...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ewwww documentationnnn <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hahaha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So about what we will talk?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:15</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Because documentation is not a very interesting subject <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>good question</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>wanna play I-Spy? <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And I dont know a lot about the documentation</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:16</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I know! We will be talking about Quick Posting 3.0 ACP screenshot~!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I has no problems with talking about something else, as it is MOD related</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hey, that's something i haven't looked at... does phpBB 3 have quick posting available?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(by default)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Nope</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>RG|Jayso: no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>dang</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>get a MOD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:17</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Evil Quick Reply <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Quick Posting MOD is better~!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>uh,oh competitive mod authors</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>fight fight fight fight fight !</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>use quick posting <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/> if you want it <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ahh yes quick posts <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-indifferent" title=":|"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">APTX</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A quickposting mod that punishes you for using the quick post feature... good idea &gt;:)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:18</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>huh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>use evils if you like it simple <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/> <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Use Quick Posting MOD, if you want to have configurable quick posting</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i need a solar powerd sheep killing MOD please</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Just chooise the one you want to use, and dont discuss that here <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:19</td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>sooooooooo anybody here who wants to talk about phpbb3's inner workings?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yea me</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>eviL3[laptop] rolls his eyes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but i don't know any questions <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Its still q&amp;a</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>How does phpBB3 work?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>it doesnt, its your mind playing tricks on u</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:20</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">APTX</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's pure magic</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>whoa</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>poorly <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">A_Jelly_Donut</td><td class="sender-message"><span>is there documentation for the DBAL?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>everyone's a magician then <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>like a david copperfeild majic trick</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>A_Jelly_Donut: A bit</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I need to write a things</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">APTX</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*a lot of things</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:21</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not a lot</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>a shoping list?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:22</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol he's been too busy fixing the Moddb lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>still can't believe that mysql error...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:23</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>RG|Jayso: THe moddb was really a lot work</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>haha yeahh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I worked some weeks around 40-60 hours on it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">APTX</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999: You said yesterday evening that you don't know when you'll finish and it's already done :/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:24</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>APTX: Yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ive got a question to the main dudes of phpbb.com...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And I didnt know yesterday that I was going to say today that it will be opened <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>do you get paid? or is all your work volentary?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>all volentary</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>shiiittt</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:25</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>if it was paid you'd have to pay for phpbb <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; MHobbit has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="operator"></td><td class="operator-message"><span>ChanServ sets user mode +o: MHobbit is now a room operator</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">APTX</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's called &quot;hobby&quot; <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>like VB</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yep</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>MHobbit is here</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no shit <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Language, please...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>FountainOfApples slaps LordLeBrand</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>PG-13 plz</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:26</td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>or PG, even better</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>PG what? :S</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>parental guidence</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>damn kids &gt;.&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- A_Jelly_Donut has disconnected (&quot;tata&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:27</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Lets stay about the session guys</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;(-.-)&gt; pika pika</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i have a question</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yes? <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:28</td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hey bazza</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>slightly off topic, but if you are adding entries to a lang. file, should one stay in the alphabetic order, or does it not matter?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol you call THAT off topic?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>eddywatson slaps lordleboob</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>barrycarlyon slaps eddywatson</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>barrycarlyon: good question</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:29</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ty</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>eddywatson kisses barry</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i guess that would only matter as defined by documentation...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>Balint changes nick to Balint|away</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>doesn't phpBB3 want you to create separate language files for MODs?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i didnt think it would, but i wasnt sure if it was better to keep it ordered or not....</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">FountainOfApples</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i've never gotten a clear answer on that</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|laptop changes nick to paul999|food</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>im only adding a couple two varibles</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>seems a waste of a whole file</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:30</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>well operation wise it should work no matter what order...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i assumed that RG|Jayso</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:32</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i suppose phpbb wants you to make your own lang files when you make a large mod (like the phpbb garage &lt;-- first to mind</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; popo has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:33</td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what is the subject now?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpbb3 mods?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">popo</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmmmm</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eviL3[laptop]</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;Getting to know phpBB3's inner workings for MODding&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:34</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so my qustion was really off topic lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>s/was/wasnt</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>eddywatson loves phpbb3</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:35</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>don't we all</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>barrycarlyon loves eddywatson</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no wait</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>lmao! <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jk'</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>eddywatson loves you too bazza</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:36</td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>aaaaaaaanyway,,,</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- popo has disconnected (Client Quit)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:37</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yeah i was comparing it to what we were talking about <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:38</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hello World!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>what were you talking about, i didnt check</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You really don't have anything to talk about...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hi, Highway</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:39</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hi Lew!!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So i made this screenshot: <a href="http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6348/qp3acpya0.png">http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6348/qp3acpya0.png</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(was afk(</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What do you think about it?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>CHecking it out... we are on inner workings?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:40</td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>instead of &quot;possible to change in UCP&quot;, perhaps: &quot;Override user settings&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>Highway_of_Life pokes paul999</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and make that a checkbox!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no, I would keep it radio, fits with the ACP</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But there aren't any checkboxes in the ACP <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:41</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>hmm a little bone to pick lew <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There are a few, see Manage Forums, but radio is better</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ah na stuff it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- S2B has left phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Time for phpBB Weekly!! <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but what's goin on with the &quot;Display watch options:&quot; description?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>#phpbb-weekly</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:42</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>there's commas everywhere</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>(and you're using RC1 :P)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&quot;Display post options:&quot; description tells people what are post options</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: Good joke</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And I'm using RC2 <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:43</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>no look at what's there though - there's commas all over the place</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This is only QP 3.0.RC1 <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: It looks really crowded</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ohh my bad lew</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:44</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but yeah the description for that setting is screwed...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I will add &quot;Post options are:&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>looks like you replaced &quot; with ,, or something lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I used Polish version of &quot; <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ohhhhhh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>kk - all good then <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:51</td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>boo</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:53</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>RAWRRRRR</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>scared you?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&gt;_&gt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>&lt;_&lt;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LordLeBrand</td><td class="sender-message"><span>noone got any questions <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":O"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:54</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>New screenshot done!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><a href="http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7750/qp3acphc9.png">http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7750/qp3acphc9.png</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:56</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yay</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:58</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>What's wrong with checkboxes? <img class="smiley-surprised" title=":o"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">17:59</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>They aren't used anywhere <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That doesn't mean you can't use them</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|food</td><td class="sender-message"><span>okay guys, 2 minutes before next session</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>phpBB devs are always using Yes / No</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|food</td><td class="sender-message"><span>and has someone seen my coffee?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Do you really think that anybody will ask about something related to MODX documentation?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:00</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We can only re-discuss DocArticle <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|food</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You arent required to talk about the session <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Yeah. What does it have to do with iPhone?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>barrycarlyon heres you black coffee with sugar paul999</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:01</td><td class="topic"></td><td class="topic-message"><span>paul999 changes room topic to: MODs documentation Session 2 (in Q&amp;A mode) " MOD Authors Convention 2007 - <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=555989</a> | phpBB MOD Chat - Not for MOD Support! | Rules: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/">http://www.phpbb.com/support/irc/</a> | New MOD Docs: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a> | EasyMOD support in #phpbb-easymod | MODX: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/modx/</a> | mEAL: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/pre-validator/</a></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>eddywatson loves barrycarlyon</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|food</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Highway_of_Life: You poked me?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>barrycarlyon pokes paul999|food</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="nick"></td><td class="nick-message"><span>paul999|food changes nick to paul999|laptop</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>barrycarlyon pokes Highway_of_Life</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yep ... don t need anything anymore. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/> -- where is the rest of the MOD team? <img class="smiley-wink" title=";)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>barrycarlyon pokes everyone especially you</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:02</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>not here :</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>you need to do it with me, and a bit MHobbit</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:03</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Hmm... I have a question!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Do you really think that anybody will read full MODding documentation?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We hope it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Personnaly, I would say no</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; jdh has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LEW21: We expect that people read the parts that apply to them.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:04</td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I don't see the point of the question either... you want us to not have any documentation because no one will RTFM? <img class="smiley-wink" title=";-)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But, if you have any suggestions for us to improve them, please suggest away.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The point of this questions is to ask any question about MODs documentation XD</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>they should be bound in a book and sold on amazon</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:05</td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>We also do have a bug tracker section devoted to the documentation, in case any errors or suggestions need to be posted.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:09</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>This table of content is too scary for users... If you would list only main section and one level of the subsection, there will be a bigger chance to get any reader.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span> /ns set passwd hartley2512</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>but in that case its easier to use, as its an index</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I'm not sure about that. Most of the MODding documentation isn't intended for just the average user (only MODders).</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It is a table of contents, after all.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:10</td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>jdh: nope, that one was visible</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*curses silently*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>oh well</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">jdh</td><td class="sender-message"><span>glad that wasnt my everything-password</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>its nickserv not ns lol</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Incorrect, /ns is valid shorthand...</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>damnian trying jdh's password on phpbb.com</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>really</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:11</td><td class="sender">barrycarlyon</td><td class="sender-message"><span>i didnt know</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So maybe you will display only &quot;Quick table of contents&quot; on main page and move &quot;Full table of contents&quot; to an appendix</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>so why did it go through?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>That still defeats the purpose of a ToC. <img class="smiley-wink" title=";-)"/> I think that'd make it worse since users will have to jump through hurdles to search for the info they need.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:12</td><td class="sender">RG|Jayso</td><td class="sender-message"><span>LOL - bl 2 jdh</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It may *look* daunting, but you have to know what you're looking for before you actually do it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:13</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>People usually use google to search for info, I don't think that many people will open this page to search for the info on it.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Browsers have a &quot;search page&quot; function.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:14</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Most people wil go here because they will want to learn MODding, but don't know how to start</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Google is faster <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">damnian</td><td class="sender-message"><span>why not have a condensed toc as well as a full one?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>*I proposed this 3 minutes ago.*</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Then they're better off starting from the beginning, reading the first page in the ToC (where else would you start when reading a book? at the end?), and the first few pages will say to jump to whichever section is relevant.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:15</td><td class="disconnect"></td><td class="disconnect-message"><span>&lt;- RG|Jayso has disconnected</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>MHobbit shrugs</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>People usually start reading a book from the first chapter</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>anybody know if theres an phpbb3 easymod in the pipline? please</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There is</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:16</td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>wheyyy <img class="smiley-grin" title=":D"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>They usually aren't reading the ToC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>eddywatson: <a href="http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=72&amp;t=544005">http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=72&amp;t=544005</a> <img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:17</td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span>thanks man</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">eddywatson</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-happy" title=":)"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So maybe on main page write only some words about MODding and give two links: &quot;Continue reading the manual&quot; and &quot;Table of Contents&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:18</td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If you're in the MOD Home page of the site, and click on the MOD docs link, it directs you to the ToC. :-/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>They will not see how many text is there, so they will not run <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:19</td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's a ToC. Making it look like there's less content is misleading.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:20</td><td class="leave"></td><td class="leave-message"><span>&lt;- jdh has left phpbb-mod (&quot;User is away.&quot;)</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>The main page of the docs is &quot;<a href="http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/">http://www.phpbb.com/mods/documentation/</a>&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So there should be only a link to the ToC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Correct, with a ToC there... which is what I said.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There's an abstract there.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If a user is smart enough to realize it's a ToC, they should be smart enough to realize that there should be a lot of content, and they should click on the very first link, which happens to be an intro page.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:21</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But ToC isn't printed on book's cover!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">Highway_of_Life</td><td class="sender-message"><span>paul999|laptop, phpBB Weekly is talking about you. <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I will listen later</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>quality to bad</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>So?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:22</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>I cant follow it? <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>ToC shouldn't be printed on the MODding documentation cover</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>There should be only a link to the ToC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:23</td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Why not? It lists the content.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Either way, the user will get to the ToC. You're just suggesting that they have to jump through one more hoop.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:24</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>On most covers only title, author, and sometimes abstract is printed</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You're assuming that we're discussing a book. We're not. :-/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:25</td><td class="sender">paul999|laptop</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Online documentations is something else as a book</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>It's an index, not a cover.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You should print only them AND two links &quot;Table of Contents&quot; and &quot;Continue reading a manual&quot;</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Most newbies will click on &quot;Continue reading a manual&quot; and will not see that scary ToC</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:26</td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And they'll still have to shuffle through the many pages and wonder when it will end. :-/</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And if someone wants to get to a ToC, he will be able to do it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span><img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="action"></td><td class="action-message"><span>MHobbit shrugs once again</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If this manual is interesting, they will read it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If they will see that ToC, they will run</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:27</td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If they're interested, they'd read _regardless_.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>And better if they will read a part of the manual than they will run</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>No, because they will run <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Because you assume so?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:28</td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; Danopia has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>Because most people run if there is too much text on a page <img class="smiley-tongue" title=":P"/></span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:29</td><td class="sender">brandsrus</td><td class="sender-message"><span>about documentation now?</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>yes</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If they're interested, as you say, they will continue reading. If not, they're not interested.</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>But they will not start reading!</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If they will start reading, there is a chance that they will want to finish</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time">18:30</td><td class="sender">LEW21</td><td class="sender-message"><span>If they will see, that they have no chances to read full manual, they will not try to do it</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="join"></td><td class="join-message"><span>-&gt; _quirxl_ has joined phpbb-mod</span></td></tr><tr><td class="time"></td><td class="sender">MHobbit</td><td class="sender-message"><span>You're making this complete argument just because you think that ToC is daunting. Honestly, it's a ToC, it should be expected.</span></td></